In this episode of The Everything In-Between Podcast, we sit down with Grant Sullivan—a former pastor turned restaurant owner from the Tulsa area—for a conversation that’s as honest as it is necessary.

Grant shares what it’s like to step away from vocational ministry after years of believing it was his lifelong calling. What happens when the thing you thought God built you for, suddenly falls apart? How do you process the loss, the identity shift, and the questions that come with it?

Together, we talk through the tension of life “after ministry,” the emotional and spiritual weight of starting over, and what it looks like to move forward when your purpose feels unclear. Whether you’ve experienced a similar transition or just wrestled with seasons of uncertainty, this episode offers a visceral, thoughtful look at rebuilding when everything you knew changes.

This is a conversation about calling, loss, resilience—and finding faith in the in-between.

We wanted to try something a bit different from our previous content. Come hang out and listen to us act like a couple of idiots for an hour! We’ll play some games and make major fools of ourselves.

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This week on The Everything In-Between Podcast, Christian and Schae sit down with longtime friend and musician Travis Johnson for a deep dive into the heart of worship ministry.

Travis shares his musical journey—from playing bass and directing worship teams to crafting his own sound through his project Breach of Demise. Together, we explore how personal backgrounds, church experiences, and musical influences shape the way people approach worship and creativity today.

It’s honest, insightful, and full of those “oh dang, I never thought about that” moments. Whether you’re into ministry, music production, or just love hearing passionate people talk about their craft, this episode has something for you.