Welcome back on the Journey!

If you missed the first half of this conversation, go back to episode 203 and get to know B Chris (7) and Jonathan (2) a little better.

In the latter half, the Reverend joins Suzanne, Jonathan, and B Chris to talk about life in ministry. The ups and downs, highs and lows.

PLUG TIME

Visit lifeinthetrinityministry.com to find out about what is coming up on Suzanne's teaching schedule and the LTM calendar! Including:

• The Contemplative Enneagram Summit
• Know Your Number with Suzanne the first weekend of October
• The Replanted Conference

The Enneagram Journey and Life In The Trinity Ministry are safe spaces for solitary work that cannot be done alone!

This is the first half of a fun, and deep, conversation!

Meet longtime friends and working partners, Jonathan and B Chris.

We've got 2 Twos and 2 Sevens talking, so you're gonna have to pick a side! Not really of course.

They joined us at The Micah Center to talk about their working relationship, our responses to trauma, finding balance, and Tinder! Among other things.

PLUG TIME

Enneagram and Pickle Ball September 22nd!

Enneagram Know Your Number in Massachusetts!

Apply for the 2027 Enneagram Cohort Program!

The Contemplative Enneagram Summit!

Find even more at lifeinthetrinityministry.com !

Get a little Flashlight going for these three Enneagram 9s! If you are a 9, or love one, or want to love one better, give this a listen.

Rev. Joe Stabile, Jeff Crosby, and Dr. Billy Schewee join Suzanne in this episode to talk about Enneagram Nines and:

• Generational Differences
• Guilt and Shame
• Active vs. Passive Engagement
• Music and more!

PLUG TIME

Know Your Number with Suzanne Stabile in Boston is October 2-3!

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Come hear the workshop that inspired the best selling book, The Road Back to You! Friday night and all day Saturday, packed with community, compassion, and understanding. Join us at The Parish of the Epiphany in Winchester. If you can't join in person, join online!

Music Samples in today's podcast:

• The Enneagram Journey theme song comes from Solveig Leithaug ft. Cindy Morgan, "Lift You Up"
• "Its Too Late" by Carole King (1971)
• "Blowin' in the Wind" by Chad Michell Trio (1963)
• "Today" by The Smashing Pumpkins (1993)
• "Father and Son" by Cat Stevens (1970)

As you can tell from the intro, this is a great BLEEPING episode of The Journey!

Meet Jenn and Josh, a 6 and 7 handling all that life throws at them.

• Miscarriages, Parenting, Replanted
• State it and Rate it
• Same here paddles
• and more!

"Shame dies when stories are told in safe spaces." - Ann Voskamp

PLUG TIME

• 2026 Enneagram Bootcamp! July 30 - August 1 in Dallas or join online. Generational Enneagram with Suzanne Stabile and LTM
• Know Your Number in Boston! - October 2-3. Tell everyone you know to join. It is going to be. Awesome.
• Replanted Conference - You hear about it in the episode, now come be about it
• 2027 Enneagram Cohort Program - Now is the time to apply! 4 Cohorts with 40 spots for each one. Don't miss your chance to dive into the deep end of solitary work that cannot be done alone

And visit and subscribe to lifeinthetrinityministry.com for all things LTM and Enneagram Journey!

We finally figured out how to stream to both Facebook AND Instagram!!

Thank you to everyone who joined live for this podcast recording.

I (Joel) think we got to answer 13-15 questions, which is impressive for us in a one hour segment. Hopefully we'll get to do these weekly moving forward.

PLUG TIME:

Enneagram Bootcamp 2026: Generational Enneagram

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The coolest thing about Enneagram Bootcamp is seeing the bonds and relationships that build each year. We hope you'll be a part of this upcoming opportunity July 30 - Aug 1.

As you heard in the intro, stay hard David Black. A good dude, who lived a good life. Everyone who knew him will miss him. Joe and Suzanne will miss him. LTM will miss him.

We are a little bummed that nobody mentioned Safety Dance in this conversation!

That being said, this is a great conversation about dancing and ritual, the enneagram and our relationship with our bodies. This is Rachel's first time on the show, and Courtney is an Enneagram Journey veteran, and it probably isn't their last time sharing with our listeners.

We have a few clips of songs sprinkled throughout the show, and hope you enjoy all of them (or at least a couple!).

And don't forget to jump on over to lifeinthetrinityministry.com to see where Suzanne is teaching next and other opportunities with LTM and The Enneagram Journey!

Music in this episode

• Pink Pony Club by Chappell Roan
• Shine by Michael Franti & Spearhead
• One Day / Reckoning Song by Asaf Avidan & The Mojos
• Could I have This Dance by Anne Murray
• My Joy Is Heavy by The Bengsons
• The Molly B. Polka Party

Two of the podcast's favorite people join Suzanne and Joe at her favorite bookstore to do what she loves the most: talk relationships and enneagram!

The listeners are probably familiar with Hunter from all of his work with LTM, and now you get to meet his soon to be husband, Bradley Hickman. We get to hear what works and what struggles 9s and 2s have together.

PLUG TIME:

LTM has a new home, and we're working on updating a new and improved website. We have events coming up in Minnesota, California, Texas, and Massachusetts. The 2027 Cohort applications open May 1, and summer small groups are around the corner.

visit lifeinthetrinityministry.com to join in the community!

Meet the eldest of Suzanne's 9 grandchildren!

William Alexander Schewee IV, enneagram 4, joins the show with his uncle and a couple of grandparents, including of course, the Enneagram Godmother.

You'll learn about "Bros' Nights", the differences and similarities between fours and sevens, our different ways of connection including: how do you respond to people singing happy birthday to you?!

And remember, hope will not leave you disappointed!

PLUG TIME:

• Joey Stabile Schewee's new book, "When Working Together Doesn't Work" is now available everywhere books are sold! Grab your copy and show her some love with a review and rating.
• The Enneagram AND...marches on. Next up is Colorado Springs with the great KJ Ramsey and The Enneagram AND Trauma. Get your tickets to join in person or online by visiting lifeinthetrinityministry.com/enneagramand