As you can tell from the intro, this is a great BLEEPING episode of The Journey!

Meet Jenn and Josh, a 6 and 7 handling all that life throws at them.

• Miscarriages, Parenting, Replanted
• State it and Rate it
• Same here paddles
• and more!

"Shame dies when stories are told in safe spaces." - Ann Voskamp

PLUG TIME

• 2026 Enneagram Bootcamp! July 30 - August 1 in Dallas or join online. Generational Enneagram with Suzanne Stabile and LTM
• Know Your Number in Boston! - October 2-3. Tell everyone you know to join. It is going to be. Awesome.
• Replanted Conference - You hear about it in the episode, now come be about it
• 2027 Enneagram Cohort Program - Now is the time to apply! 4 Cohorts with 40 spots for each one. Don't miss your chance to dive into the deep end of solitary work that cannot be done alone

And visit and subscribe to lifeinthetrinityministry.com for all things LTM and Enneagram Journey!

We finally figured out how to stream to both Facebook AND Instagram!!

Thank you to everyone who joined live for this podcast recording.

I (Joel) think we got to answer 13-15 questions, which is impressive for us in a one hour segment. Hopefully we'll get to do these weekly moving forward.

PLUG TIME:

Enneagram Bootcamp 2026: Generational Enneagram

lifeinthetrinityministry.com

The coolest thing about Enneagram Bootcamp is seeing the bonds and relationships that build each year. We hope you'll be a part of this upcoming opportunity July 30 - Aug 1.

As you heard in the intro, stay hard David Black. A good dude, who lived a good life. Everyone who knew him will miss him. Joe and Suzanne will miss him. LTM will miss him.

We are a little bummed that nobody mentioned Safety Dance in this conversation!

That being said, this is a great conversation about dancing and ritual, the enneagram and our relationship with our bodies. This is Rachel's first time on the show, and Courtney is an Enneagram Journey veteran, and it probably isn't their last time sharing with our listeners.

We have a few clips of songs sprinkled throughout the show, and hope you enjoy all of them (or at least a couple!).

And don't forget to jump on over to lifeinthetrinityministry.com to see where Suzanne is teaching next and other opportunities with LTM and The Enneagram Journey!

Music in this episode

• Pink Pony Club by Chappell Roan
• Shine by Michael Franti & Spearhead
• One Day / Reckoning Song by Asaf Avidan & The Mojos
• Could I have This Dance by Anne Murray
• My Joy Is Heavy by The Bengsons
• The Molly B. Polka Party

Two of the podcast's favorite people join Suzanne and Joe at her favorite bookstore to do what she loves the most: talk relationships and enneagram!

The listeners are probably familiar with Hunter from all of his work with LTM, and now you get to meet his soon to be husband, Bradley Hickman. We get to hear what works and what struggles 9s and 2s have together.

PLUG TIME:

LTM has a new home, and we're working on updating a new and improved website. We have events coming up in Minnesota, California, Texas, and Massachusetts. The 2027 Cohort applications open May 1, and summer small groups are around the corner.

visit lifeinthetrinityministry.com to join in the community!

Meet the eldest of Suzanne's 9 grandchildren!

William Alexander Schewee IV, enneagram 4, joins the show with his uncle and a couple of grandparents, including of course, the Enneagram Godmother.

You'll learn about "Bros' Nights", the differences and similarities between fours and sevens, our different ways of connection including: how do you respond to people singing happy birthday to you?!

And remember, hope will not leave you disappointed!

PLUG TIME:

• Joey Stabile Schewee's new book, "When Working Together Doesn't Work" is now available everywhere books are sold! Grab your copy and show her some love with a review and rating.
• The Enneagram AND...marches on. Next up is Colorado Springs with the great KJ Ramsey and The Enneagram AND Trauma. Get your tickets to join in person or online by visiting lifeinthetrinityministry.com/enneagramand

Join us in escorting The Micah Center on to the next plain.

Suzanne, Joe, and Hunter sit down for one final conversation at The Micah Center, the home of LTM for the past 20 years.

As you'll hear in the intro, this episode is heavy on the "Journey" aspect of the podcast and light on any "enneagram" talk. Suzanne and Joe always are quick to say that the enneagram is just a tool. A GREAT tool, but just one. The Micah Center was so much more than a tool. It became a safe space for thousands of people to go to.

Stay hard Micah Center!

If The Micah Center means something to you, or had an impact on your life, we would love to hear about it. CLICK HERE to leave a voicemail sharing some Micah Center love or memories.

Ready to join the Enneagram AND tour 2026?! The first event is at the end of January, and we're continuing on into the summer.

The Enneagram AND Parenting

The Enneagram AND Spirituality

The Enneagram AND Truama

The Enneagram AND Your Body

The Enneagram AND Stress

Join live or join us virtually online for great teaching with a great group of teachers.

CLICK HERE TO JOIN THE ENNEAGRAM AND TOUR 2026 OR LEARN MORE

The Merton Prayer:

Today's Intro:

• From the original Enneagram Journey Curriculum
• "Tha Crossroads" by Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (Ruthless)
• (outro) "I wouldn't take nothin' for my journey", Live at Studio C (Gaither Studios)

The Enneagram Journey may be recording next at your local Hilton! Maybe not, but this episode was fun to record at Joel's hotel room when LTM travelled to Charlotte, NC for a workshop. Kim Honeycutt (8) and Larissa Miller (4) join the show to talk about their relationship, their journey, justice, and what do you know about polyvagal theory?

You can find out more about what Kim and Larissa are up to at icutalks.org, watershedcharlotte.com and kimhoneycutt.com

PLUG TIME!!!!

The Enneagram AND 2026 Tour is around the corner!

The Enneagram and Parenting in Nashville, TN - The Enneagram and Spirituality in Jackson, MS - The Enneagram and Trauma in Colorado Springs, CO - The Enneagram and Your Body in Minneapolis, MN - The Enneagram and Stress in California.

Join us in person, or join us online virtually!

Get all of the important information and registration at lifeinthetrinityministry.com/enneagramand

Today's Intro:

• The Waterboy (1998, Touchstone Pictures)
• Bob's Burgers (s15, e1 FOX)
• Breaking Bad (s4, e6 AMC)

Meet author and Enneagram 5, Jess Everlee!

4 books, one for the Head, one for the Heart, and one for the Body, and how about one featuring a couple of Sixes!

Jess shares about figuring out her enneagram number, which ones are the easiest and most difficult for her to write, and about being married to an 8.

"I mistyped my own teen angst as a 4. But, since it was a mistype, it wasn't useful." - JE

All romance lovers need to check out her Lucky Lovers of London series, and you can learn more about Jess at jesseverlee.com