Laila Mickelwait tested Pornhub's upload system herself and found no one was checking who was in the videos, how old they were, or whether they'd consented. What followed was a six-year fight that forced Visa, Mastercard, and PayPal to cut ties with the world's fifth-most-visited website and led to the removal of over 50 million images and videos.

Robin John and Chris Broussard sit down with Mickelwait—co-founder and CEO of the Justice Defense Fund, author of Takedown, and the woman behind the Traffickinghub petition—to explore chapter five of The Good Investor: "Fighting Dragons." They cover the mechanics of how she pressured credit card companies into action, the private equity firm now defending Pornhub under the name "Ethical Capital Partners," what 27 states are doing on age verification law, and what it actually looks like for an investor to use their capital as a tool against exploitation rather than for it.

This is one of the more sobering conversations the show has hosted, while also being one of the more hopeful about the power of investing to make a real difference in the face of evil. Mickelwait leaves listeners with a clear answer to the question every Christian investor should be asking: what am I rooting for, and what am I willing to do about it?

[Chapters]
00:00 Introduction
02:20 Meet Laila Mickelwait
04:08 The Night Everything Changed
06:40 Forcing Pornhub's Hand
08:40 Following the Money
14:17 Threats, Backlash, and Unity
16:24 Business as Blessing or Harm
20:23 Ethical Capital Partners Exposed
25:06 A Survivor's Story
29:04 50 Million Images Removed
30:45 Legislation and Age Verification
35:16 Her Father's Influence
37:18 How You Can Help