What happens when being a pastor means you’re not only shepherding people, but also leading an organization?

In this episode of Everything In Between, we sit down with Pastor Richard Williams, author of CEO Pastor, for a conversation about the tension between pastoring people and leading a church.

Pastor Richard shares what he’s learned about navigating difficult relationships, handling disappointment, measuring success, and staying grounded when the pressure of ministry gets heavy. And we talk about a reminder that might change the way we think about leadership altogether:

We are trained to be the owner, but we are not the owner. We are the steward.

Featuring:

Christina Shaver, Senior Pastor

Richard Williams, Pastor @ Metropolitan UMC in Montgomery, AL

Josiah Drew, Student Ministry Coordinator

Ben J. Savage, Worship Arts Minister

Whether you’re a pastor, church leader, volunteer, or simply someone trying to lead well in your own life, this conversation is full of honest questions, practical wisdom, and a whole lot of everything in between.

Everything in Between is a podcast from Trinity United Methodist Church where we have honest conversations about faith, life, discipleship, and all the moments in between. New episodes feature pastors, ministry leaders, students, and members sharing their stories, questions, and experiences as they seek to follow Jesus in everyday life.