• 68. The Great American Healthcare Heist with Guest Chris Deacon
    2025/12/18
    In this episode, Donovan and Chelsea sit down with Chris Deacon, a nationally known healthcare reform advocate, attorney, and former director of the State of New Jersey’s massive public sector health plan. Chris pulls back the curtain on how public and private employers are getting overcharged, how procurement and politics protect the status quo, and why nonprofit hospital systems often behave like for-profit empires. They break down real examples of claims, hospital contracts, and “negotiated” rates that actually drive prices higher, not lower.

    You will hear Chris unpack key themes from her new book The Great American Healthcare Heist: Why We’re Paying More and Getting Less, including nonprofit hospital expansion, fully insured versus self-funded plans, the hidden incentives of carriers and PBMs, compensation conflicts in the broker/consultant world, and why most claim review processes are built to fail employers. They also dig into gag clauses, CAA 2021, weak fiduciary enforcement, and how plan sponsors can start demanding data, transparency, and true accountability from everyone at the table.

    If you are a CFO, HR leader, benefits advisor, or plan sponsor who suspects you are getting crushed by a broken system but are not sure what to do next, this conversation will both infuriate you and give you a playbook to start pushing back.

    Get more on our Guest Chris at:
    Website: versanconsulting.com
    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cdeaconc/

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    Whether you're an HR professional, CFO, CEO, or just tired of rising healthcare costs, this is your call to rethink benefits strategy and finally take control.

    Connect with Chelsea and Donovan:
    Website: www.businessofbenefitspodcast.com
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ethoseffectpodcast/
    Chelsea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-ryckis-8508a192/
    Donovan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanryckis/

    Finished with the content? Claim your CE credit here: https://ideas.ethosbenefits.com/continuing-education

    SHRM: Ethos Benefits is recognized by SHRM to offer professional development credits (PDCs) for SHRM-CP® or SHRM-SCP® recertification activities.

    HRCI: Ethos Benefits is approved to offer HRCI® recertification credits for this program. This program has been approved for 0.5 - 1 HR (General) recertification credit(s) toward aPHR®, PHR®, SPHR®, and GPHR® certification.
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  • 67. How One Employer Broke The Renewal Cycle: A Case Study
    2025/12/11
    In this episode of The Business of Benefits, Donovan Ryckis guest starred on a Be More Than a Fiduciary Podcast episode with Eric Dyson of 90 North Consulting and Brenda Kruse of Axiom Healthcare Services. Together, they break down how employers can finally escape the renewal treadmill, create a 3–5 year benefits strategy, and apply fiduciary principles to healthcare.


    Brenda shares Axiom’s transformation... from repeated renewal frustration to achieving a 13% premium decrease, lowering deductibles, expanding benefits, and reducing employee out-of-pocket costs by 27–38%. Eric and Donovan dig into why the healthcare system fails employers, how to identify misaligned incentives, and why transparency and governance are the keys to long-term success.


    They also explore PBM dysfunction, compensation conflicts, the four components of a health plan, and why employers must act as true stewards of their healthcare dollars.


    What You’ll Learn:
    What’s really behind recurring renewal increases
    How Axiom achieved a 13% premium decrease while improving benefits
    Why data transparency directly drives better outcomes
    Why PBM strategy is the fastest path to meaningful savings
    The four structural pillars of every health plan
    How to build and follow a multi-year health plan strategy
    Fiduciary responsibility explained for employer health plans
    How to identify and correct misaligned broker/consultant incentives
    Practical governance tools: fiduciary committees, 408(b)(2), comp review
    What responsible healthcare stewardship looks like for employers


    Eric Dyson — 90 North Consulting
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eric-dyson/
    Website: https://90northconsulting.com/
    Podcast: Be More Than a Fiduciary


    Brenda Kruse — Axiom Healthcare Services
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brenda-kruse-2078386/
    Website: https://www.axiomhealthcareservices.org/


    Donovan Ryckis — Ethos Benefits
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanryckis/
    Website: https://www.ethosbenefits.com/
    Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@thebusinessofbenefits

    Timestamps:
    00:00 – Preview
    00:38 – Title Intro: The Business of Benefits
    01:00 – Episode Overview: Axiom’s journey & fiduciary crossover
    02:08 – Guest Introductions
    03:53 – Axiom Healthcare Services: Who they are
    04:39 – How Axiom Met Ethos Benefits
    05:10 – Early Challenges & The Broken Renewal Cycle
    05:52 – Ethos’ Approach: Strategy over sidestepping
    06:44 – Building a Multi-Year Plan
    07:16 – The Renewal Turnaround (13% decrease)
    08:26 – Lowering Costs for Employees
    09:19 – Why Data Matters in Healthcare Strategy
    10:50 – Making Data Simple for Decision Makers
    12:27 – Pharmacy Benefits: The 60% Cost Problem
    13:25 – PBM Conflicts & Misaligned Incentives
    15:25 – Fixing PBM First: High-Return, Low-Friction Changes
    16:27 – Member Experience: What Improves
    17:37 – Understanding the Four Parts of a Health Plan
    18:20 – Increasing Competition & Transparency
    19:46 – Compensation Transparency & Fiduciary Responsibility
    20:35 – Forming a Fiduciary Committee
    22:53 – Industry Conflicts & Broker Incentives
    25:07 – 408(b)(2) Disclosures & Reasonable Arrangements
    26:22 – Why Compensation Alignment Matters
    27:15 – Advice to New Advisors & Consultants
    27:50 – Advice to New Benefits Managers
    29:18 – Raising the Standard of Care in Healthcare
    31:11 – Internal Alignment: How Employers Improve Outcomes
    32:27 – A Better Approach: Curiosity Over Judgment
    33:10 – What “Good Healthcare Stewardship” Means
    34:28 – Ethos Healthcare Documentaries
    35:20 – Closing Remarks & Episode Wrap


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    Finished with the content? Claim your CE credit here: https://ideas.ethosbenefits.com/continuing-education

    SHRM: Ethos Benefits is recognized by SHRM to offer professional development credits (PDCs) for SHRM-CP® or SHRM-SCP® recertification activities.

    HRCI: Ethos Benefits is approved to offer HRCI® recertification credits for this program. This program has been approved for 0.5 - 1 HR (General) recertification credit(s) toward aPHR®, PHR®, SPHR®, and GPHR® certification.
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  • 66. Self-Funding Explained in 60 MINUTES with Spencer Smith
    2025/12/04
    In this episode, Donovan Ryckis, CEO of Ethos Benefits, sits down with Spencer Smith (SVP of Sales at Pareto Health and host of Self-Funded with Spencer) to unpack captives, stop-loss, PBMs, and the steps plan sponsors can take to finally regain control of healthcare spend.
    Spencer shares how short, educational content helped bring self-funding concepts downstream, why captives act like “bumpers” against catastrophic renewals, and where employers should start: data access, pharmacy, and a long-term strategy. They cover real-world examples—NICU and oncology claims, lasers, biosimilars, international sourcing—and discuss why employee contributions keep rising when nothing seems to change.

    You’ll walk away with a framework to move from guaranteed cost to variable cost with discipline, reduce claims costs without cutting benefits, and ask your broker the questions that matter.

    What You’ll Learn:
    • Self-funded fundamentals and the role of stop-loss
    • How group captives improve predictability across renewals
    • The first lever to pull: pharmacy strategy and data access
    • Why “reduce claims” means smarter pricing and site-of-care, not less care
    • Three questions every plan sponsor should ask at renewal:
      Why these solutions, specifically?
      How are you paid, where, and how often?
      What’s the long-term strategy beyond this 12-month cycle?
    • POSIWID: the outcomes your system delivers define its true purpose

    Time Stamps:

    00:00 – Welcome & Guest Introduction
    02:10 – Spencer’s Journey into Self-Funding
    06:20 – Breaking Down Stop-Loss & Captives
    10:45 – Fully Insured vs Self-Funded Explained
    15:12 – The 401(k) Analogy for Health Plans
    19:20 – Why Short-Form Education Works in Benefits
    24:05 – Pharmacy Costs & Where to Start Saving
    28:48 – Broker Incentives and Transparency
    34:32 – Data Access, Claims, and Real-World Fixes
    41:20 – POSIWID Framework & Final Takeaways

    Get more on our Guest at:
    Website: https://spencerharlansmith.com/
    YouTube: @SelfFunded

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    Whether you're an HR professional, CFO, CEO, or just tired of rising healthcare costs, this is your call to rethink benefits strategy and finally take control.

    Connect with Chelsea and Donovan:
    Website: https://businessofbenefitspodcast.com/
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ethoseffectpodcast/
    Chelsea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-ryckis-8508a192/
    Donovan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanryckis/

    Finished with the content? Claim your CE credit here: https://ideas.ethosbenefits.com/continuing-education

    SHRM: Ethos Benefits is recognized by SHRM to offer professional development credits (PDCs) for SHRM-CP® or SHRM-SCP® recertification activities.

    HRCI: Ethos Benefits is approved to offer HRCI® recertification credits for this program. This program has been approved for 0.5 - 1 HR (General) recertification credit(s) toward aPHR®, PHR®, SPHR®, and GPHR® certification.
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  • 65. The New Fiduciary Frontier: Transparency, Litigation & the Future of Employer Health Plans
    2025/11/20
    In this episode of The Business of Benefits, Donovan Ryckis sits down with attorney and national thought leader Alden J. Bianchi to expose one of the most costly and overlooked failures in employer-sponsored healthcare: the illusion of broker transparency. The Consolidated Appropriations Act (CAA) was supposed to fix hidden compensation. It didn’t. Instead, it created a fiduciary requirement to ask, without ever creating a requirement for brokers to actually tell. Employers are expected to manage fiduciary risk without pricing transparency, claims clarity, or conflict-free advice. Alden brings decades of experience advising Fortune 500 employers, consulting firms, and government agencies on ERISA, fiduciary duty, ACA compliance, transparency regulation, machine-readable files, and emerging litigation.In this conversation, he explains why:CAA compensation disclosures are “an absolute joke”Brokers and ASOs avoid disclosure by redefining themselves Employers are left negotiating blindfoldedCurrent PBM and ASO lawsuits are stalled by standing issuesFiduciary governance needs to mirror 401(k) standardsMachine-readable files and AI will change everythingHidden compensation lives in places most employers never lookTransparency is worthless without someone who knows how to use the dataIf you're a CFO, CHRO, HR Director, consultant, or fiduciary of a health plan, this conversation will change how you see the entire benefits ecosystem.What You’ll Learn:Why CAA broker transparency rules failedHow hidden compensation still influences broker recommendations Why employers must build fiduciary governance like their 401(k) plans The difference between named vs. functional fiduciaries How data, machine-readable files, and AI tools will reshape oversight Why market concentration and hospital power keep prices high How reference-based pricing and captives fit into employer strategy What upcoming congressional reforms might change Time Stamps:00:00 – Preview00:53 – Show Opener01:18 – Donovan’s Introduction02:04 – Meet Alden Bianchi02:49 – Alden’s Background (ACA, ERISA, Romney Reform)03:39 – Why Employer Healthcare Costs Exploded05:10 – Fiduciary Exposure and 401(k) Lessons07:17 – Donovan on Lack of Data in Healthcare08:49 – ACA vs. CAA: What Transparency Actually Changed10:12 – Machine-Readable Files: Why They Matter10:59 – Broker Compensation Rules Are “A Joke”12:14 – Why Disclosures Don’t Work (Undisclosed Incentives)14:02 – Donovan on Conflicts in Broker Comp15:30 – The True Fiduciary Standard for Employers16:14 – Alden’s B.O.L.O.s: Override Commissions, Referral Fees17:48 – Fiduciaries Must Become Quant Analysts18:54 – Who Is a Fiduciary? Alden’s Simple Definition20:36 – Why Fiduciary Exposure Is Personal21:13 – SHRM, CAA Compliance, and Employer Pushback21:56 – Challenges With Gag Clauses, RxDC, and Disclosures23:33 – Why Naming a Fiduciary Protects the Board25:40 – PBM Lawsuits: Standing Problems Explained27:35 – Why ERISA Remedies Are So Hard to Win29:20 – How PBM Practices Impact Premiums & Wages30:31 – Employers Subsidizing Medicare Rates31:13 – The $35,000 Family Plan Problem31:44 – Extreme Cases of 16x–21x Medicare Pricing32:29 – Alden on Reference-Based Pricing’s Role33:29 – Why Obamacare Didn’t Lower Costs34:27 – Hospital Profits, Medicare Rates & Misconceptions35:08 – Are Hospitals Really Underpaid?36:18 – Where Employers Should Actually Start37:43 – Incentive Problems in Broker/Consultant Models38:29 – Group Captives, AHPs, and Small Employer Solutions39:47 – Why Transparent Products Matter40:20 – Claims Reporting Problems (Body-Part Categories)41:18 – The Real Issue: Market Concentration, Not Just Benefits41:43 – PBM Regulation vs. Antitrust Problems42:26 – Broker Compensation Should Be on Page 1 of Renewals44:05 – Hidden Comp in MECs, Indemnity & Non-ERISA Lines45:48 – Excess Compensation, Double-Dipping & Fiduciary Risk46:03 – Alden’s Final Advice to Employers46:55 – Follow Alden on LinkedIn (B.O.L.O. Posts)47:28 – Closing Thoughts & Episode Wrap-UpConnect With Alden BianchiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajbianchi/Firm Bio: https://www.mintz.com/people/alden-j-bianchiConnect with Chelsea and Donovan:Website: https://businessofbenefitspodcast.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ethoseffectpodcast/Chelsea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-ryckis-8508a192/Donovan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanryckis/Subscribe for Weekly Employer Insights!Finished with the content? Claim your CE credit here: https://ideas.ethosbenefits.com/continuing-educationSHRM: Ethos Benefits is recognized by SHRM to offer professional development credits (PDCs) for SHRM-CP® or SHRM-SCP® recertification activities.HRCI: Ethos Benefits is approved to offer HRCI® recertification credits for this program. This program has been approved for 0.5 - 1 HR (General) recertification credit(s) toward...
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  • 64. Breaking Free from the Broker Trap with Lori Kleiman
    2025/11/13
    In this HR Special, host Chelsea Ryckis sits down with friend and industry leader Lori Kleiman to talk about what it takes to level up from HR department-of-one to strategic business partner, without losing sight of day-to-day realities.


    We cover how small to mid-size employers can decide when to hire fractional or in-house HR, why headcount matters more than revenue, and the rising complexity of multi-state compliance. We also unpack the hidden opportunity for HR to lead on healthcare and benefits strategy.

    Chelsea explains renewal “stall” tactics, fiduciary responsibility on health plans, and practical steps HR can take to earn a seat at the table with data and action.

    What you’ll learn:
    • When a company truly needs fractional HR vs its first in-house generalist
    • Why certifications like PHR and SHRM-CP help smaller employers hire confidently
    • How tech can increase HR workload and employee questions, not reduce them
    • A simple path to move from tactical HR to strategic HR that drives ROI
    • The fiduciary duty HR has on health plans, what to ask from brokers, and how to escape the 60-day renewal crunch
    • Practical ideas HR can implement now: communications, data access, compliance checklists, and off-cycle planning
    Time Stamps
    00:00 – Welcome to The Business of Benefits
    01:08 – Meet Lori Kleiman
    04:45 – Building an HR Business from the Basement
    07:15 – When Small Businesses Really Need HR
    10:02 – Technology’s Impact on HR Workloads
    12:18 – Tactical vs. Strategic HR
    15:26 – What to Look For When Hiring HR
    18:41 – How Much HR Certifications Cost
    21:10 – Using ExamEdge and Affordable Prep Options
    23:20 – Moving from Tactical to Strategic HR
    27:00 – Understanding Fiduciary Duty in Health Plans
    30:36 – How HR Can Drive Benefits Strategy
    33:22 – Why Benefit Renewals Feel Impossible
    36:10 – Taking Back Control of Your Renewal
    38:28 – Shaking Up Your Broker Relationship
    40:12 – Giving Back to the HR Community
    41:25 – Final Thoughts and Where to Find Lori

    Get more on our Guest at:
    Website: https://www.hrtopics.com
    YouTube: @lorikleimanhrtopics7385

    Whether you're an HR professional, CFO, CEO, or just tired of rising healthcare costs, this is your call to rethink benefits strategy and finally take control.

    Connect with Chelsea and Donovan:
    Website: https://businessofbenefitspodcast.com/
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ethoseffectpodcast/
    Chelsea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-ryckis-8508a192/
    Donovan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanryckis/

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    Finished with the content? Claim your CE credit here: https://ideas.ethosbenefits.com/continuing-education

    SHRM: Ethos Benefits is recognized by SHRM to offer professional development credits (PDCs) for SHRM-CP® or SHRM-SCP® recertification activities.

    HRCI: Ethos Benefits is approved to offer HRCI® recertification credits for this program. This program has been approved for 0.5 - 1 HR (General) recertification credit(s) toward aPHR®, PHR®, SPHR®, and GPHR® certification.
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  • 63. The New Health System: Inside Employer Health with Dr. Zeev Neuwirth
    2025/10/30
    In this episode of The Business of Benefits Podcast, Chelsea Ryckis sits down with Dr. Zeev Neuwirth — physician, author of Reframing Healthcare and Beyond the Walls, and host of the Creating a New Healthcare podcast — for an unfiltered conversation about what’s really broken in America’s healthcare system and what employers can actually do to fix it.

    From the hidden “healthcare tax” driving wage stagnation to how misaligned incentives have created a medical industrial complex, this episode dives deep into the uncomfortable truth: only 20 cents of every healthcare dollar reaches doctors, nurses, and clinicians. The rest? Lost in layers of middlemen, bureaucracy, and profit-driven waste.

    Chelsea and Zeev explore how employer-sponsored healthcare became the backbone of American coverage, why primary care has been stripped of its purpose, and how direct primary care (DPC) and CEO engagement can completely change the game for employees and organizations alike. If you’re an executive, benefits advisor, or HR leader who knows there has to be a better way, this conversation will challenge everything you think you know about healthcare financing, delivery, and reform.

    Listen to this episode if you want to:
    • Understand how healthcare financing and delivery actually intersect
    • Learn how direct primary care can lower costs and improve outcomes
    • Hear real examples of CEOs transforming employee health and culture
    • Be inspired to rethink your benefits strategy without the sales fluff
    Time Stamps:
    00:00 — Welcome to The Business of Benefits
    02:15 — Dr. Zeev Neuwirth’s journey from clinician to system reformer
    06:40 — The truth about the “medical industrial complex”
    12:10 — Where your healthcare dollars really go
    18:45 — The failure of traditional primary care
    24:10 — Why CEOs are the missing link in healthcare transformation
    30:40 — Lessons from the Rosen Hotels model
    37:20 — Following the money: the employer’s power to change healthcare
    43:30 — The caregiving crisis and what leaders often overlook
    47:00 — Final thoughts and resources

    Get more on our Guest at: Dr. Zeev Neuwirth
    Author of Reframing Healthcare and Beyond the Walls
    Podcast: Host of Creating a New Healthcare Podcast
    Learn more: zevnewworthhealth.com

    Whether you're an HR professional, CFO, CEO, or just tired of rising healthcare costs, this is your call to rethink benefits strategy and finally take control.

    Connect with Chelsea and Donovan:
    Website: https://businessofbenefitspodcast.com/
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ethoseffectpodcast/
    Chelsea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-ryckis-8508a192/
    Donovan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanryckis/

    Finished with the content? Claim your CE credit here: https://ideas.ethosbenefits.com/continuing-education

    SHRM: Ethos Benefits is recognized by SHRM to offer professional development credits (PDCs) for SHRM-CP® or SHRM-SCP® recertification activities.

    HRCI: Ethos Benefits is approved to offer HRCI® recertification credits for this program. This program has been approved for 0.5 - 1 HR (General) recertification credit(s) toward aPHR®, PHR®, SPHR®, and GPHR® certification.
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  • 62. You Don’t Need More Vendors — You Need Accountability
    2025/10/16
    Tired of shiny pitches and vague promises? In this solo episode, we break down a practical, repeatable system for holding your benefits vendors accountable so your plan actually performs. From rock-solid RFPs to airtight contracts and respectful escalation, you’ll learn how to set clear expectations, track outcomes, and course-correct fast.

    In this episode, you’ll learn:
    • How to design an RFP that prevents surprises later
    • What to demand in contracts: performance guarantees, termination language, fees, BAAs, data sharing, and fiduciary status
    • The must-ask questions about integrations, cybersecurity, conflicts of interest, and compensation
    • A simple cadence for accountability meetings that gets results, not excuses
    • Real examples of catching hidden fees and fixing slow vendor response times
    • How to build team culture so your staff holds vendors accountable the right way
    Who this is for:
    Employers, HR leaders, CFOs, and anyone ready to transform a “set it and forget it” benefits program into a high-performing plan.If the truth is out there, are you ready to hear it?

    Like, share, and subscribe for more no-BS guidance on benefits that serve your people and your P&L.

    TimeStamps:
    • 00:00 Intro and why accountability matters
    • 02:10 Build a better RFP
    • 07:35 Contract must-haves and red flags
    • 13:25 Demo everything and verify claims
    • 17:40 Meeting cadence and escalation that works
    • 23:10 Real-world examples and fixes
    • 28:30 Culture of accountability inside your team
    • 32:10 Final takeaways and next steps
    If this helped, like, subscribe, and share with a leader who needs to hear it. Tell us in the comments: What is the first change you will make to your benefits strategy?

    Whether you're an HR professional, CFO, CEO, or just tired of rising healthcare costs, this is your call to rethink benefits strategy and finally take control.

    Connect with Chelsea and Donovan:
    Website: https://businessofbenefitspodcast.com/
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ethoseffectpodcast/
    Chelsea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-ryckis-8508a192/
    Donovan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanryckis/

    Finished with the content? Claim your CE credit here: https://ideas.ethosbenefits.com/continuing-education

    SHRM: Ethos Benefits is recognized by SHRM to offer professional development credits (PDCs) for SHRM-CP® or SHRM-SCP® recertification activities.

    HRCI: Ethos Benefits is approved to offer HRCI® recertification credits for this program. This program has been approved for 0.5 - 1 HR (General) recertification credit(s) toward aPHR®, PHR®, SPHR®, and GPHR® certification.
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  • 61. Inside IFEBP: Fiduciary Duty, CEBS & Future Benefits Trends with Justin Held
    2025/10/02
    Welcome back to the No BS. No sales pitch. Just real solutions podcast. This week our host Chelsea Ryckis sits down with Justin Held, CEBS of the International Foundation of Employee Benefit Plans (IFEBP) to unpack what HR, CFOs, and CEOs need now: neutral education, fiduciary guardrails, and a practical path to future-proof employee benefits.


    In this episode:
    • What IFEBP is and how it helps plan sponsors with objective, non-lobbying education
    • CEBS breakdown: curriculum, timelines, and why employers fund it
    • Fiduciary duty basics after ERISA and why CAA 2021 put health plans under the spotlight
    • The 2025–2026 benefits agenda: PBM contracts, data analysis, chronic conditions, GLP-1 coverage, mental and behavioral health, peer support models, and AI in plan administration
    • How to run a strategic review of your plan: surveys, focus groups, utilization data, KPIs
    Simple, high-impact changes most members won’t even notice, but your budget will.

    Timestamps:
    • 0:00 Intro
    • 1:08 What IFEBP does and why it’s neutral
    • 6:35 Conferences, toolkits, and daily benefits headlines
    • 10:12 CEBS overview and chapter network
    • 14:45 ERISA fiduciary duty in health and retirement
    • 19:18 Trends: PBM contracts, GLP-1, mental health, AI, fraud prevention
    • 28:40 Peer support models for mental health
    • 33:10 How to future-proof benefits with data and KPIs
    If you are an employer, CFO, or CEO who is tired of trend increases and status quo advice, this conversation will give you a path to real savings and better outcomes.

    If this helped, like, subscribe, and share with a leader who needs to hear it. Tell us in the comments: What is the first change you will make to your benefits strategy?

    Whether you're an HR professional, CFO, CEO, or just tired of rising healthcare costs, this is your call to rethink benefits strategy and finally take control.

    Connect with our guest today at:
    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-held-cebs/
    Website: https://www.ifebp.org/
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/IFEBP
    Listen to their podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-benefits/id1183535454

    Connect with Chelsea and Donovan:
    Website: https://businessofbenefitspodcast.com/
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ethoseffectpodcast/
    Chelsea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-ryckis-8508a192/
    Donovan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanryckis/

    Finished with the content? Claim your CE credit here: https://ideas.ethosbenefits.com/continuing-education

    SHRM: Ethos Benefits is recognized by SHRM to offer professional development credits (PDCs) for SHRM-CP® or SHRM-SCP® recertification activities.

    HRCI: Ethos Benefits is approved to offer HRCI® recertification credits for this program. This program has been approved for 0.5 - 1 HR (General) recertification credit(s) toward aPHR®, PHR®, SPHR®, and GPHR® certification.
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    35 分