This week, Bren and Lenno record face-to-face for the first time at the CXO Data Summit in Crete, on what makes a transformation succeed.

Lenno tells the story of the first SAP program, one that had to be pulled apart mid-flight. This painful lesson meant the next one, built on those battle scars, came in pain-free, on time and under budget.

That's the essence of the episode...real capability comes from getting it wrong first. So what happens when AI removes the junior roles where those mistakes used to be made before becoming a data leader?

Takeaways

• People are central to the success of transformation initiatives.
• Experience and learning from past mistakes are crucial for personal and professional growth. Transformation and experience are essential for growth.
• Behaviour change is hard, and people problems are a significant challenge in data leadership.

Chapters

• 00:00 The Importance of People in Transformation
• 01:16 Challenges of Transformation
• 03:07 The Value of Experience in Learning and Growth
• 15:13 Transformation and Experience
• 16:18 People Problems and Behavior Change
• 17:28 The Impact of Technology on the Workplace
• 18:15 Influence of Generational Differences
• 19:13 The Role of Data Leaders in Shaping the Future of Work
• 19:28 The Importance of Communication and Education
• 20:26 Individuality and the Human Component in Data Leadership