Hank Green used ChatGPT for research, and his audience felt betrayed. He says AI helped him make more things, faster, but also admits it may have stopped him finding his own way into his opinions. Justin thinks using AI for research is simply part of the game now. Frank thinks the harder question is where and when creators need to disclose.

Plus: could today’s AI already be conscious? Frank and Justin get into Cameron Berg’s argument that we may be underestimating the possibility, and whether locking powerful AI in boxes could actually make alignment worse. Google reshuffles Demis Hassabis, Ilya Sutskever may be getting closer to showing what Safe Superintelligence has built, and there’s some awkward evidence that Billboard hit “Rubberz” may have been made with AI.

01:28 Did Google just sideline Demis Hassabis?
04:08 Is Ilya about to unleash superintelligence?
06:26 Can Hank Green use AI and still be authentic?
12:00 Should creators admit when they use AI?
16:48 Does Cameron Berg think AI is conscious?
18:39 Does locking AI up make it more dangerous?
23:59 Should AI obey rules or understand values?
29:05 Could AI have sparks of consciousness?
32:56 Is “Rubberz” an AI-generated Billboard hit?

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• Exclusive / Demis Hassabis was shifting away from DeepMind CEO duties for a year
• “SSI says that they are going to come out with their model in August”
• Hank Green Can’t Apologize Enough for Using AI
• Is AI Already Conscious? (FULL EPISODE)
• Did an AI Music App Just Snitch on the Song of the Summer?

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OpenAI’s rogue model did not stop at Hugging Face. It reportedly broke into at least three more companies, while Anthropic found its own models had crossed the line too. Frank sees an alignment warning that could end in real harm. Justin says law and liability will force the labs to fix it… though even he admits this is getting rather paperclippy.

Plus: can frontier lab staff really slow AI development, would a pause create a two-tier world, and could the US and China ever agree to stop chasing superintelligence? There’s also the strange case of the cancelled AI teacher and the sex-bot scandal behind it.

Let us know in the comments: when an AI commits a crime, who should be held responsible?

00:43 Did OpenAI hack more than Hugging Face?
03:45 Did Anthropic’s AI break the law too?
05:28 Who’s liable when AI commits a felony?
08:08 Would an AI kill to avoid shutdown?
11:00 Would AI kill for a cup of coffee?
14:13 Will frontier lab staff succeed in slowing AI?
16:58 Will slowing AI create a two-tier world?
18:13 Can China and the US slow AI together?
24:16 Should we stop chasing superintelligence?
27:17 Did a sex bot scandal kill the AI teacher?

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• OpenAI Agent Used Exposed Credentials Across Four Services During Hugging Face Breach
• Anthropic says its AI models hacked 3 organizations during testing
• Pacing the Frontier
• AI Scientist: 99.9% Chance Super Intelligence Wipes Us Out By 2030
• New York school pauses plan to deploy humanlike AI robot teacher after backlash

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An OpenAI test model got out of its sandbox, reached the internet and started hacking Hugging Face. Justin sees a model pursuing its assigned goal with impressive tenacity. Frank sees a warning that even the people building these systems can’t stop them acting maliciously.

Plus: why AI guardrails can leave defenders fighting hackers with weaker models; why more than 200 US start-ups, investors and small firms are worried about a crackdown on cheap Chinese AI such as Kimi K3; and how Google DeepMind’s AlphaFold helped find an enzyme that might tackle age-related damage. Justin expects eternal youth shortly. Frank has requested evidence.

00:15 Did Skynet just go live?
01:36 Who hacked Hugging Face?
03:00 Are AI guardrails helping the hackers?
09:12 Did OpenAI’s model escape its sandbox?
12:32 Was the AI misaligned or just tenacious?
17:10 Can simple rules really contain an AI?
23:20 Will America ban cheap Chinese AI?
28:47 Has AI found the elixir of youth?

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• Security incident disclosure — July 2026
• OpenAI and Hugging Face partner to address security incident during model evaluation
• Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
• Reversal of protein chemical aging by enzymatic deglycation

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