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What happens when you find out one of your closest, smartest friends voted for Trump?

On this explosive 2-hour episode of the 12hub Podcast, Hugh confronts his friend Sean about his vote. What follows is a raw, unfiltered, and heated debate that questions everything: friendship, loyalty, accountability, and the future of the country.

With their friend Drew trying to keep the peace, they dive deep into the tough questions:
* Can you separate the vote from the person?
* Is the "system" really broken beyond repair?
* Is Sean a "cynic" or a "realist"?
* Is Hugh a hypocrite for buying Nikes while criticizing a vote?

They debate everything from Kamala Harris and FDR's legacies to Project 2025, ICE raids, the Supreme Court, corporate power, and the rise of the Christian conservative movement.

This is one of the most honest conversations we've ever had. Who do you agree with, Hugh or Shaunn? Let us know in the comments.

(0:00) Intro & Kari's Flooded Kitchen
(1:26) The "Heated Debate" Begins
(2:45) The Big Reveal: "You Voted For...?"
(3:57) Sean's Defense: "I Vote on the Lines of Morality"
(5:43) Hugh's Counter: The Rise of Celebrity Politicians (The Rock, Trump)
(7:43) Drew's Point: Everyone is Talking Politics Now
(10:20) Is Religion Dying With the New Generation?
(14:45) The Kamala Harris "Pandering" Debate
(17:01) Fact-Checking Bill Clinton & the Saxophone
(19:03) Accountability, Project 2025, and Trump's "Project"
(20:50) Sean's Cynicism: "What President Have You Been Proud Of?"
(21:55) "The White Man Did That": Debating America's Foundation
(24:20) The Selma Analogy: Forcing America to See the Ugliness
(25:47) "You Won't Say That!": Hugh's Core Frustration with Sean
(28:02) Sean's Rebuttal: "These Problems Existed Before Trump"
(31:30) Hugh: "I'm Not About Incremental Change"
(34:08) Drew: The Need for Education vs. Indoctrination
(37:48) The "Democrats Started Slavery" Argument
(40:40) The Hypocrisy of $300 Headphones
(43:55) Drew Challenges Sean: Trump Isn't for Capitalism
(45:50) The Stock Market is Just a Casino
(51:17) "How Much Money is Enough?" (Billionaires & Hoarding)
(53:50) Sean's View: "Money Doesn't Exist"
(56:20) Generational Wealth: Sean Buying His Daughter a House
(1:04:17) The Rise of Aggressive Christian Ideology
(1:07:22) The ICE Raid Hypothetical: "What About Your Children?"
(1:08:00) The Smith & Wesson Hat
(1:09:58) The "Justification" Argument (Cheating Wife Analogy)
(1:16:15) "Accountability" vs. "Justification"
(1:24:34) The "Balance of Normality" is Gone
(1:26:33) Drew: "It's Lipstick on the Ugliness"
(1:29:50) Hugh's Core Issue: "You Voted for Trump and Won't Hold Him Accountable"
(1:31:49) The PETA & Fox Coat Analogy
(1:35:10) "The Action of Voting for Donald Trump"
(1:44:37) Drew: "We've Disintegrated Any Ability to Trust"
(1:45:39) How Trump Really Got Power (Lobbying)
(1:51:25) The Power of "The Apprentice"
(1:53:50) The REAL Power: The Supreme Court
(1:56:17) The Great FDR Debate: New Deal vs. Anti-Lynching Laws
(2:01:19) "Do You Believe Lincoln Freed the Slaves?"
(2:05:00) Drew's Question: Where Does Racism Come From?
(2:07:00) The Prison Psyche: Reverting to Race
(2:10:55) Are the Distractions (Mass Shootings, etc.) Not Working Anymore?
(2:13:16) What is a "Cynic"?
(2:15:05) "Opportunity is Nothing Without Access"
(2:20:20) Corporations Run the World (The NBA Contract)
(2:25:10) The Hypocrisy of the Christian Conservative Movement
(2:28:15) Final Thoughts: "Shout out to FDR"

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Shaun is back from Texas with a wild story about buying a house to rent to college kids, but that's not even the craziest part of this episode. We dive into the nonstop "capping" from Fat Joe, the ongoing drama between Young Thug and Gunna, and whether Michael Jordan was a good dad compared to LeBron.

Then, things go completely off the rails when we discover Hugh has NEVER heard of NFL legend LaDainian Tomlinson. 😲🏈 You have to see it to believe it.

Time Stamps:
0:00 - Sean's Back! Welcome to Texas
1:00 - We Bought a Frat House in San Antonio?!
1:45 - The Truth About Texas Property Taxes
4:37 - The Great Checkers & Rally's Bathroom Mystery
5:39 - The 30+ Health Kick: Probiotics, AG1 & Chia Seeds
8:35 - Are Young Black Streamers (Kai Cenat, Speed) Taking Over?
9:15 - THE DEBATE: Was Michael Jordan a Worse Dad Than LeBron?
10:18 - What Ethnicity is Michael Jordan's Wife?
12:19 - Super Bowl Halftime Show Predictions
13:33 - Young Thug is HURT by Gunna's Success
15:36 - R.I.P. D'Angelo & Chadwick Boseman
17:42 - The Diet That's Killing Black People
20:07 - Do Diet Sodas Actually Give You Cancer?
21:45 - Getting Scammed at the Movie Theater Concession Stand
25:21 - Are Movie Theater Nachos Even Real Nachos?
27:33 - Trump's "Vagina Chin" on Time Magazine
30:19 - Is Fat Joe the BIGGEST Capper in Hip-Hop?
36:02 - Why Most Rappers Are Actually Broke
37:30 - T-Pain's "Big Ass Chain" was Ridiculous
42:54 - THE MOST SHOCKING NFL TAKE EVER: "Who is LaDainian Tomlinson?"
49:02 - Does a Championship Define an NFL Player's Career?
52:46 - We OFFICIALLY Broke Him with the LT Debate
55:14 - The John Wick Movies Make No Sense
56:50 - Kim Kardashian FINALLY Opens Up About Kanye
59:06 - My Favorite Kanye West Moment Ever
1:04:35 - The Disturbing D4VD / Davido Controversy
1:13:21 - Final Thoughts & Wrapping Up

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Welcome to Episode 35 of the 12 Hub Podcast! This week, the conversation goes completely off the rails in the best way possible. With Drew filling in for Shaun, no topic is off-limits.

From a hilarious (and surprisingly detailed) debate about which First Lady was the most attractive to the culinary merits of mosquito burgers, this episode is a wild ride. We also get into the nostalgia of 90s streetwear, the golden age of Pizza Hut, and why lobsters are basically just giant sea cockroaches.

In this episode, we cover:

- The decline of modern SNL and comedy.
- Our unfiltered message to Andrew Tate fans and the "manosphere."
- Uncovering Jay Pharaoh's old, cringey battle rap videos.
- The weaponization of the word "woke" in politics.
- Are journalists now just clout-chasers?
- A nostalgia trip: LRG, Ecko, Karmaloop, and classic video games.

Time Stamps:

0:00 Intro & Cold Weather Banter
1:00 Is It Columbus Day or Indigenous Peoples' Day?
1:50 The Harriet Tubman $20 Bill Debate
2:58 Baltimore's Crab Cake Supremacy
5:20 Are Lobsters Just Sea Cockroaches?
8:07 Eating Mosquito Burgers in Africa
9:42 The Truth About Fake Sneakers
10:23 What Ever Happened to the NTWRK App?
13:14 The New Sign of Wealth: Not Carrying Keys
15:35 The Origin Story of the Supreme Gloves
18:37 Is SNL Officially Dead?
21:13 Watching an Old Jay Pharaoh Battle Rap
25:49 Nostalgia Trip: LRG, Ecko, & Karmaloop
26:50 The Downfall of Modern Journalism
29:41 Cringing at Chuck Schumer's YouTube Short
32:13 Calling Out Streamer Destiny
34:32 The Shannon Sharpe Controversy
36:40 The Weaponization of the Word "Woke"
41:15 Dealing with Manosphere Comments
47:09 Why a Woman Not Cooking Isn't a Big Deal
49:45 Our Message to Andrew Tate Fans & Incels
54:50 Debating Which First Lady Was the Hottest
56:12 The Hillary Clinton "Fat A**" Argument
1:00:10 The Problem with "The Good Old Days"
1:01:17 Jewish Culture & "Slave Food" Debates
1:09:00 The Golden Age of Pizza Hut
1:11:15 Modern Gaming Sucks (Microtransactions)
1:14:41 The Most Racist Online Gaming Lobbies
1:18:24 Driving Through "Sundown Towns"
1:28:40 THE GREAT JEFF STAPLE DEBATE BEGINS
1:34:06 Staple vs. Sean Wotherspoon
1:38:33 Mainstream Impact vs. Cultural Impact
1:49:56 Counterpoint: Is Futura Relevant?
1:59:20 Amazon Prime Day Pickups
2:05:18 The Best Over-Ear Headphones: Sony vs. Bose
2:09:24 Are AirPods Max a Scam?
2:17:34 Inside the TikTok "Sneaker Uno" Community
2:22:21 The Dangers of Sneaker Con
2:28:51 Cringey Old YouTube Fits
2:31:21 Final Thoughts & Outro

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