You don't need a revolutionary idea to build something that matters, you need the right people around you and a plan you'll actually follow. In this episode of the Eagle Ops Rally Point Podcast, we sit down with Devin Laney, CEO of Gradient, one of the largest innovation hubs in the country, to break down how veterans and ordinary people can turn an idea into a real, growing business. Whether you're a veteran making the transition home, a first-time founder with nothing but an idea, or an owner trying to scale past the ceiling you've hit, this conversation is a playbook.

What you'll walk away with:

• The #1 mistake founders make when projecting growth (they add revenue but forget to add the team and expenses to support it)

• Why proximity to the right people beats hustling alone and how to build that network on purpose

• How to go from "I think I have an idea" to an incorporated, funded, real business

• The "evolutionary, not revolutionary" mindset that makes impact accessible to anyone

• Why vision + strategy beats "go, go, go" every single time

• How businesses can serve those who've served without writing a check

⏱ Chapters 00:00 – Welcome + the Eagle Ops mission

04:00 – Who is Devin Laney? From small-town Alabama to Tulsa

22:30 – The Gradient thesis: density of peers, proximity to resources

34:00 – Idea to business: the boot camps and first steps

37:00 – Scaling smart: inside Oklahoma's largest certified business incubator

38:14 – The projection mistake that kills growth 51:00 – "I'll lead you to the water" — why you get out what you put in

01:07:00 – Serving veterans through partnership, not just donations

01:22:30 – Why a plan beats raw hustle every time

01:24:00 – Leaving a positive impact when you don't know where to start

01:35:56 – Chroma + the Startup World Cup (Sept 24) About Eagle Ops: We connect relationships to resources to bring our heroes home. Getting veterans and their families off the couch, plugged in, and pointed toward the people and tools that change their transition is the Mission

🇺🇸 VETERAN RESOURCES: If you or a family member need access to free resources, Shep and his team have put together the Top 5 Veteran Resources Guide here: https://resources.eagleops.org/eagle-ops--veteran-resource-guide-funnel

About Gradient: A Tulsa-based innovation hub helping entrepreneurs across the country go from idea to scale. Learn more: joingradient.com