You know that friend whose name pops up on your phone and you already feel tired?

She calls. She unloads. She feels so much better. And somehow, you need a nap, a snack, and possibly an exorcist.

So… are energy vampires actually real, or are some people just exhausting?

This week, Lisa Wilson and Lisa Smith are joined by energy healer Jenifer Freer to talk about the people who seem to drain the life out of us—and how to tell the difference between an energy vampire, someone having a hard time, and the uncomfortable possibility that sometimes we might be the problem.

We get into draining friendships, negative coworkers, grief thieves, joy thieves, emotional boundaries, energy attachments, auras, and ways to protect your energy when you can't simply cut someone out of your life.

Jenifer also gives both Lisas a live energy reading, Lisa Wilson reveals why she keeps salt in her car, Lisa Smith discovers that Prince may be her spirit guide, and we ask the question nobody really wants to ask:

What if I’ve been the energy vampire?

If you've ever hung up the phone with someone and wondered why you're suddenly exhausted, this one's for you.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Are Energy Vampires Real?
02:40 Energy Vampire or Just Exhausting?
05:00 Meet an Energy Healer: How Does Energy Really Work?
07:53 What Is an Energy Vampire?
10:25 How Do You Know When Someone Is Draining Your Energy?
13:22 Grief, Negativity & the People Who Steal Your Joy
17:15 Can You Actually Read Someone’s Energy?
21:29 What Does Your Aura Say About You?
23:43 Energy Attachments: Can You Carry Someone Else’s Energy?
25:56 How to Protect Your Energy Without Cutting Everyone Off
30:23 Plot Twist: What If YOU’RE the Energy Vampire?
34:15 Finding Your High-Vibe People

YOUR TURN: Who drains your battery, and have you ever realized you were the one doing the draining?

We're Lisa and Lisa, two longtime friends having funny, occasionally inappropriate, and unexpectedly honest conversations about the things women are already talking about in the group chat.

You are not alone. Come sit with us.