Teri Ann Hourihan won the No Labels Arizona gubernatorial nomination in Arizona’s primary election. Paul Johnson didn’t support her candidacy in that primary—and Hourihan believes he hasn’t always treated her fairly.

So they sat down across from one another.

What followed was one of the most personal and often contentious conversations on New Frontiers.

Hourihan says her North Star is fighting what she believes is corruption inside Arizona state government. She describes her own Medicaid-related case, alleges fraud inside government, names officials she believes bear responsibility, and argues that some should lose their jobs.

Then the interview gets personal.

Hourihan and Johnson confront the history between them and why she believes he treated her unfairly during the campaign. At times, the conversation becomes emotional.

They also discuss Arizona’s water future, education, Andy Biggs, Governor Katie Hobbs, healthcare, Medicaid, and other issues facing the state.

The two disagree over white privilege. Hourihan challenges Johnson directly about his own privilege. Johnson says he considers himself enormously privileged—starting with being an American—but questions whether assigning privilege based on race can become unnecessarily divisive and obscure the hardships of individual lives.

And then they reverse the interview.

Hourihan gets the opportunity to question Johnson. She asks why the party hasn’t endorsed her after voters nominated her for governor. She asks what he really thinks of her. Johnson answers both questions directly.

This isn’t always a comfortable interview.

It’s a conversation about alleged corruption, grievance, trauma, race, political independence—and whether two people who genuinely disagree can sit across from each other, ask difficult questions, and actually listen to the answers.

Chapters:

00:00 - Coming Up…

01:04 - Paul Johnson’s Opening Remarks

07:51 - Meet Arizona Governor Candidate Teri Ann Hourihan

08:41 - Teri Hourihan Alleges Fraud & Corruption in Arizona Government

29:29 - The Feud Between Paul Johnson & Teri Hourihan

46:33 - Teri Hourihan on Andy Biggs & the Arizona Governor Race

48:42 - Arizona’s Water Crisis & the State’s Future

55:22 - Should Arizona Give Trump Its Voter Rolls?

1:01:28 - Democratic Socialism, White Privilege & Political Division

1:13:35 - Fixing Arizona’s Education System

1:23:19 - Arizona Prison Reform & Reducing Recidivism

1:27:14 - AHCCCS, Medicaid Cuts & Arizona’s Healthcare Budget

1:38:51 - Teri Hourihan Turns the Questions on Paul Johnson

1:52:50 - Final Remarks and Conclusion