In this episode of Spiritual Insights for Challenging Times, Reverend Ellen Barron welcomes Reverend Therese Lee, a Unity minister and Grief Recovery Method specialist, for a heartfelt conversation about embracing change and opening the heart.

Together, they explore why change can feel so uncomfortable, especially when it comes through grief, loss, relationships, health, finances, or the uncertainty of the world around us. Rev. Therese shares how moving from the head to the heart can help us stop trying to “fix” pain and instead begin to honestly feel, witness, and release it.

This conversation offers gentle wisdom, practical spiritual tools, and a powerful reminder that healing is not about rushing past pain. It begins with allowing ourselves to be heard — by others, by Spirit, and by our own hearts.

In this opening conversation of Spiritual Insights for Challenging Times, Reverend Ellen Barron is joined by Rev. Annie for a thoughtful and uplifting discussion about finding spiritual grounding when life and the world feel heavy.

Together, they explore how faith, inner wisdom, perspective, and spiritual practice can help us move through uncertainty with more peace, courage, and hope.

This episode is Part 1 of a two-part conversation and sets the tone for the heart of this podcast: real conversations, meaningful reflection, and spiritual insights to help us navigate challenging times with grace.

Listen in, take a breath, and remember — you are not walking through these times alone.

Welcome to Spiritual Insights for Challenging Times, a podcast hosted by Reverend Ellen Barron. In this series, Ellen explores how spirituality, reflection, and meaningful conversation can help us stay grounded, hopeful, and connected during the uncertain times we are living in. Subscribe and join us for thoughtful conversations, spiritual encouragement, and insights to help you move through life with more peace, courage, and compassion.