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  • 262. Justine van der Leun on Women Who Kill Their Abusers

    262. Justine van der Leun on Women Who Kill Their Abusers
    2026/06/28
    Note: Our recording app crapped out at the one-hour mark (rude!), but we include our hot boxes in the copy below, which you ALL get since we’re making this episode free xxNancy and Sarah talk to Justine van der Leun, the author of Unreasonable Women: Three Stories of Violence, Imprisonment, and Extraordinary Survival. Justine is a heavy hitter in the occasionally lightweight genre of true-crime journalism. Nancy reviewed her 2016 book We Are Not Such Things, about the murder of an American activist in South Africa, and called it a “masterwork of reported nonfiction.” Unreasonable Women tells the stories of three women in prison for what Justine calls “criminalized survival,” meaning they were fighting back against their abusers. Her research was extensive. She wrote to 10,000 women in prison, created data sets that did not exist, and spent years crafting a book that is both hard to read (in its ugly humanity) and hard to put down (in its narrative propulsion). Also discussed:* Sarah, not going viral * Justine’s amazing bone structure* Journalism is license to be nosy* 94% of women are abused before they enter the U.S. prison system* The trap: “If it was so bad, she would have left. If she didn’t leave, it surely wasn’t so bad.”* Nancy unwinds with a “box of chicken and The Price is Right.”* Bitches Who Stab = the jokey title Justine’s husband gave her book* The criminal justice system is so confusing/frustrating that “why bother?” becomes a reasonable reaction — and that’s the point.* Kneejerk Nancy has some choice words for the mothers in these stories!* Big love for Bob Kolker, Rachel Aviv, Brian Goldstone, Ann Rule* The horror of Gisele Pelicot (though this convo got cut off, sadly)Plus, what keeps an author going over the long haul of a book project, the troubling history of sexual exploitation in families, a bonanza of hot box books, and much more! We’re so dang generous this episode is free. Consider returning the generosity by becoming a paid subscriber!Episode Notes:Unreasonable Women: Three Stories of Violence, Imprisonment, and Extraordinary Survival All about Justine’s work at www.justinevdl.comWe Are Not Such Things: The Murder of a Young American, a South African Township, and the Search for Truth and Reconciliation by Justine van der Leun (Amazon link)Justine on InstagramTo the Bridge: A True Story of Motherhood and Murder by Nancy Rommelmann (Amazon link)“The Trial of Gisèle Pelicot’s Rapists United France and Fractured Her Family,” by Rachel Aviv (New Yorker)There Is No Place for Us: Working and Homeless in America by Brian Goldstone (Amazon link)Random Family, by Adrian Nicole LeBlanc (Amazon link)Svetlana Alexievich is a Belarusian journalist who won the 2015 Nobel Prize. One of her many books: Lost Girls: An American Mystery, by Robert Kolker (Amazon link)The Adversary: A True Story of Monstrous Deception, by Emmanuel Carrere (Amazon link)The Stranger Beside Me: The Inside Story of Serial Killer Ted Bundy, by Ann Rule (Amazon link, audiobook recommended)What’s in your hot box?Justine: Dear Monica Lewinky: A Novel, by Julia LangbeinNancy: The Vanishing Family: Love, Fate, and the Quest to End Dementia, by Robert KolkerSarah: Catch the Devil: A True Story of Murder, Deception, and Injustice on the Gulf Coast, by Pamela Colloff This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe
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    59 分
  • 261. The Scariest Movie Nancy Has Ever Seen

    261. The Scariest Movie Nancy Has Ever Seen
    2026/06/24
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    Nancy bravely went alone to see Backrooms and is not sure if she’s right yet. Backrooms is one of two movies Gen Z is currently obsessing over (the other is called, um, Obsession). Sarah and Nancy talk about art in the age of YouTube, what gets people to the theater, the spookiness of the unknown, and whatever “creepypasta” turns out to be.

    They also discuss Sarah’s semi-viral tweet about men changing tires and RFK’s push to help Americans get off anti-depressants.

    Also discussed:

    * Nancy is an easy lay

    * “Death before AAA”

    * Sarah is an aspirational engagement farmer

    * The Safelite jingle is … a jam?

    * Broken-window theory, men vs. women

    * Happy 21st birthday Kane Parsons, you miserable overachiever

    * Liminal spaces as metaphor for the Internet (and the subconscious)

    * The Blair Witch Project, remembered

    * “Don’t go in the shaft!!!”

    * David Lynch + Salvador Dali + Severance + The Shining + Being John Malkovich

    * Why Sarah went on antidepressants, version 100

    * Sarah will not join Nancy’s running group

    * “There’s something going on with Ezra Klein, and I dig it.”

    Plus, Sarah tries to pronounce the names of actors Chiwetel Ejiofor and Renate Reinsve, Nancy flexes her 4chan knowledge, solvitur ambulando, and much more!

    DO NOT GO INTO THE SHAFT!!! But we encourage you to become a paid subscriber.
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    21 分
  • 260. Of Maternal Murderers and Sexual Predators

    260. Of Maternal Murderers and Sexual Predators
    2026/06/17
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    Nancy asked Sarah to watch two documentaries, and because Sarah is a supportive pod partner, she did just that — and fell into an existential depression. My God! What darkness did Nancy thrust her into? Maternal Instinct is a true-crime documentary currently dominating the Netflix top 10, about a deeply troubled young woman in Texas who … well, if you remember the headlines, then you know what she did, but let’s just say, what she did is godawful. Next up is Predators, a 2025 documentary about the aughts-era Dateline show To Catch a Predator. It’s one of the most powerful documentaries either of us has seen in some time.

    Their conversation takes them through con artists and sexual compulsions, human pain as entertainment and law enforcement as clickbait.

    Also discussed:

    * Sarah is World Cup-bound!

    * “Collective effervescence” of New York City

    * Buc-ee’s brings the world together

    * Ethan Strauss on fire

    * Sarah and Nancy would NEVER share a Netflix password

    * Texas: We’re #1 in soda refills!

    * Nancy is the moral agent of this podcast, Sarah wants everyone to have a trophy

    * How to fake a pregnancy with things bought on Amazon

    * Can Taylor Parker ever be redeemed?

    * To Catch a Predator should have been called Fish in a Barrel

    * The bottom-feeding of aughts-era pop culture

    * But what is entrapment?

    * Justice vs. understanding

    * MeToo and careerism

    Plus: Nostalgia for soccer hooligans, a discussion of women’s intuition, and Nancy reveals that she finally finished … which book?NOTE: Nancy will be doing a salon with Interintellect tonight, Wednesday June 17, at 7pm. Will she reveal a new scam that befell her just today? Sign up and find out! Nancy Rommelmann on Caring for Mom: An Education in Scams and Fraud

    Everyone gets a trophy when you become a paid subscriber.
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    27 分
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