What does great leadership have to do with luck, communication and knowing when to say yes?

In this episode, Juliet and Susan sit down with Phil Grosse to explore his winding career, from wholesale distribution to occupational injury prevention, nonprofit leadership and community organizing.

Phil shares lessons from decades of leadership, including how commitment-based communication can transform teams, why a small group of people often drives meaningful change, and how hard work, preparation and relationships can create your own kind of luck.

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In this unplugged episode, Susan and Juliet explore why we’re often waiting to feel ready before taking the next step — and why readiness might actually be a decision, not a feeling.

They talk about creating space to pause, finding perspective when everything feels urgent, and how the skills we use to navigate work can also help us navigate the messy realities of life.

Plus, Susan shares what’s evolving with her 2026 South Africa Leadership Retreat and why sometimes the next step is simply to take the action and trust that you’ll figure it out along the way.

More about the Retreat: www.susanasutherland.com/retreat

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Email Juliet: julietclothier@gmail.com
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Email Susan: susan@susanasutherland.com
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Listen back to this episode with Mark Cederborg, who shares with us his extensive experience in the construction industry, particularly Ecological Restoration Construction in Northern California. Mark started in the industry by doing and learning ALL the jobs (using his words) and ending up as CEO! His views of leadership are evident and articulate, and we loved our conversation.

Mark is now CEO of Outset Advisors, a company focused on improving the relationship between construction and nature, and ensuring the right people and information get input to major construction projects We could also have titled this episode "the one where we learn about the difference between green and grey infrastructure!". You'll know why when you give it a listen.

You can reach Mark at m.cederborg@outsetadvisors.com

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Email Juliet: julietclothier@gmail.com
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Email Susan: susan@susanasutherland.com
LinkedIn / Instagram / www.susanasutherland.com

Secrets of the C-Suite is both a podcast AND a leadership consultancy. Learn more about our offerings.