Karen and Irma chat about the uses of dialogue in writing and some of the mistakes writers make, and then talk about their latest book recommendations in Book Chat, featuring Frogsong by Melissa Manning and How to Love the World by Ilka Tampke.

Then Irma speaks to Thomas Mayo about how he found his voice as a wharfie, what it was like being thrust onto the national stage when campaigning for the Voice to Parliament Yes vote, how he dealt with the vicious criticism as a public leader, how Marcia Langton helped him get his first book deal, where he was when the shattering No verdict was delivered, how writing helped him in the aftermath, what publishers can do better to support First Nations stories, the ways in which the government should be supporting the publishing industry, and why seeing a stage show of his book Dear Son with his kids was a career high.

Show notes:

Thomas Mayo: https://www.thomasmayo.com.au/

About Thomas

Thomas Mayo is a Kaurareg Aboriginal man and Kalkalgal, Erubamle Torres Strait Islander who is a leading voice in human rights advocacy and an award-winning author of seven books. He co-led the campaign for Australia’s Voice referendum, and his Voice to Parliament Handbook won three ABIA awards, including Book of the Year. His latest book is a new edition of Dear Son: Letters and Reflections from First Nations Fathers and Sons.

Book Chat:

Frogsong by Melissa Manning

How to Love the World by Ilka Tampke

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