San Diego has beaches, sunshine, biotech, and enough stucco to wallpaper a small country. But what actually gives a city its personality? The artists, musicians, designers, dancers, galleries, theaters, museums, and all the other creative people making things that give a place its identity. That's the question at the center of this special edition of the podcast, recorded as part of San Diego Magazine's September arts and culture issue, created in collaboration with the Art + Design District and San Diego FC Playmakers.

Host Troy Johnson sits down with Jonathon Glus, former director of the City of San Diego's Department of Cultural Affairs; and Grant Oliphant, president and CEO of the Prebys Foundation. Glus now serves as the Prebys Foundation's senior art & design fellow in residence at the Downtown San Diego Partnership, where he's helping develop the emerging Art + Design District around the Civic Center. Together, Glus and Oliphant bring two sides of the conversation to the table: what it takes to build the physical and cultural infrastructure for a creative city, and what role philanthropy, government, businesses, and artists themselves play in making that happen.

The conversation gets into San Diego's recent fight over arts funding, the city's cultural ecosystem, and why supporting artists means more than simply writing checks. They talk about the Art + Design District's roots in city planning work dating back to 2016, the cultural institutions already clustered around the Civic Center, and examples from cities like Miami and Austin that used major cultural initiatives to help shape their identities.

And, naturally, Troy gets nostalgic about San Diego's old jazz scene, including his best friend's dad's club, The Crossroads, and the unfortunate fate of a very valuable vinyl collection.

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