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Co-create. Accelerate. Grow. This is at the heart of the transformative work being done by the author-duo and our guests today, Nathalie Sabourin and Ron Cheshire. Certified coaches and facilitators, Nathalie and Ron are co-founders of Montreal-based ‘The Co-Leadership Group’ which is well-known for their unique expertise of strengths-based participative coaching journeys, co-leadership practices and action learning solutions. They are authors of ‘Codevelopment Action Learning for Business’ which presents the game-changing Codevelopment Action Learning (CAL), its principles, method, roles and tools. CAL helps leaders create a collaborative, learning and engaging culture for their teams – a model for growing participative leadership in the context of today’s transformations.

Hit play for the lowdown on Nathalie and Ron’s CAL journey!

[4:05s] Their origins story

[07:40s] Codevelopment Action Learning or CAL

[15:39s] Role of a facilitator, coach in CAL

[19:02s] The 7 Steps of CAL

[28:39s] The CAL impact: Stories from CAL sessions

[46:15s] RWL READ: Nathalie & Ron’s book ‘Codevelopment Action Learning for Business: Co-create. Accelerate. Grow.’

More on CAL at https://codevelopmentactionlearning.com/

Find out about the CAL Implementation Certification at https://codevelopmentactionlearning.com/cal-certification/

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A people performance partner who is passionate about effective HR teams – that’s our guest today, the best-selling author, Tom Emery in his own words. Founder and CEO of HEX, and a strategic partner to CEOs, CPOs, and other c-suite leaders, Tom is the Amazon bestselling author of ‘People People: Reach Your Full Potential as a CHRO’, which has been shortlisted for the 2026 Business Book Awards.

Having spent several years on the C-suite as a Chief People Officer in both UK PLC and a PE backed businesses, Tom brings in a detailed knowledge of what it looks like when executive teams are firing on all cylinders, and when they’re not. He brings these insights to his work today, partnering with CEOs to build, align, and strengthen the leadership teams and wider organisations around them. He helps CEOs make sense of their roles, have the conversations that others avoid, and close the gap between how they behave and what their businesses actually need from them.

Hit play for the lowdown on his journey.

[4:38s] Tom’s origin story – journey into HR

[08:28s] Top evolutionary shifts in HR

[16:51s] On his book ‘People People’, the ‘four-leaf clover’ framework for CHROs and more

[26:41s] Content versus context, AI versus NI (natural intelligence)

[34:44s] Top challenges HR leaders facing today

[46:35s] RWL READ: ‘Atomic Habits’by James Clear; books by Adam Grant; ‘Dare to Lead’ by Brené Brown; ‘Luck Factor’ by Dr. Richard Wiseman

More on Tom’s work at www.hex-development.com

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How do you keep performing and succeed in an increasingly chaos-filled world today? That’s the question our guest today, Avy Leghziel has been helping leaders answer. Drawing from psychology, business, and complex systems, then translating it into practical ways executives can think, decide, and lead under pressure, Avy helps leaders, executives and founders around the globe navigate chaotic transitions. After 15 years serving as a senior manager in global organizations, he launched his Executive Coaching and Consulting practice, and since then, he has worked with more than 120 executives and trained thousands of professionals. Avy’s newsletter, Masters of Babel, has 7,700+ subscribers.

Vinay digs deeper into Avy’s study of chaos and how it affects how we work.

[4:17s] Avy’s ‘journey into chaos’

[13:01s] Genesis of his consulting practice

[18:59s] Top themes among leaders navigating chaos

[31:45s] Preserving mental wellbeing amidst chaos

[38:46s] His PhD research on micro behaviors in executive performance in chaotic environments

[44:50s] Avy’s prediction of chaos navigation in near future

[48:59s] RWL READ: The Explorer's Gene by Alex Hutchinson; ‘There Is No Antimemetics Division’ by qntm; LISTEN: ‘Time Sensitive’ by Spencer Bailey; WATCH: ‘Ted Lasso’, ‘Shrinking’ on Apple TV

More on Avy’s work at avyleg.com

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