The injury gets treated. The claim gets filed. The responder gets lost in between.

Retired Battalion Chief David Picone spent years inside a system that's supposed to cover everything: prevention, behavioral health, cancer, rehab, the claim itself, and watched it fail at the seams. So he rebuilt it. Thirty-four integrated policies. Injury rates down. A wellness center built like a Division I athletic program. Now, as CEO of the Health & Safety Leadership Alliance, he's taking that blueprint national.

Dr. Ramsey Ali sees what happens when the system fails. As Director of the First Responder Institute and PTSD IOP at Institutes of Health, he treats the complex cases: PTSD tangled with chronic pain and substance use, that siloed care left behind.

One built the system. One treats its casualties. In this episode, they expose where first responder wellness actually breaks down and what it takes to fix it at the system level, not just at the individual level.

In this episode:

• Where individual resilience ends, and organizational failure begins
• What workers' comp gets wrong about mental health claims
• What a department doing this right actually looks like
• The one thing Picone and Ali would change about how employers approach responder health

**Resources for Responder Wellness:**

• Book: Helping the Helpers https://a.co/d/dm0VS4Q

• Free App: CRACKYL http://crackyl.respondertv.com

• Fitness: FightCamp (code RESILIENCE for 10% off) http://joinfightcamp.com/rr

Contact David Picone and Ramsey Ali:

Learn more about HSLA: http://hslalliance.org
First Responder Institute at Institutes of Health: https://institutesofhealth.org

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