What if the problem isn’t that we don’t know what works—but that everything around it is out of sync?

In this episode, we explore the growing gap between policy and practice, where teacher preparation, curriculum, and classroom expectations often operate in silos. We unpack what happens when reading struggles go unidentified—and how those challenges extend far beyond the classroom, shaping behavior, confidence, and long-term outcomes.

Featuring a closer look at the role of the Kansas State Board of Education, this conversation reveals the limits of policy alone—and why real change depends on alignment, not blame. Because when systems begin to work together, every child has a real chance to learn to read.

In This Episode You’ll Hear:

• • Reid Lyon — National Institutes of Health researcher on reading science

  • Rob Eagan — Advocate and policy voice on dyslexia recognition and implementation in Kansas

  • Tim Odegard — Why policy without systems, time, and tools fails to translate into classroom change

  • Dana Hensley — The gap between understanding reading science and actually applying it in real classrooms

  • Sheree Utash — What it means when 60% of students arrive needing remediation—and what that reveals about earlier instruction

  • Savannah Ball — How reading struggles show up in the community through avoidance, confidence, and access

  • Judge Richard Macias — The patterns he sees in juvenile court—and how reading difficulties connect to broader life outcomes

  • Jeanine Phillips — Without structured literacy training instructors will never know how much impact they could have had.

  • Betty Arnold — Why addressing literacy requires resources, awareness, and a system prepared to meet diverse student needs

• Kansas State Board of Education
• Kansas Blueprint for Literacy
• Phillips Fundamental Learning Center (PFLC)
• Sold a Story Podcast by Emily Hanford
• Science of Reading research (National Reading Panel)

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Because change doesn’t happen in isolation— it happens when more people understand the system… and choose to act.

In Episode 5, we go deeper into the question this episode leaves behind:

👉 Who actually holds the power to change literacy outcomes in Kansas— and what will it take to move from policy to real results?

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