What happens when the climate crisis becomes a crisis of democracy?In this episode of The Deep Focus Show, Arn Menconi sits down with Roger Hallam, co-founder of Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil, to discuss climate change, political power, civil disobedience and the future of democratic society.Hallam argues that conventional protests and political reform are no longer enough to address the climate crisis. He makes the case for a fundamental transformation of political systems, including citizens’ assemblies and sustained nonviolent civil resistance.The conversation explores why Hallam believes the climate movement needs a new strategy, how ordinary people might influence political decision-making, and why he sees community, spirituality and a sense of service as essential to sustaining movements over the long term.Arn and Hallam also discuss the limits of traditional environmental advocacy, the role of mass mobilization, and the difficult question at the heart of the interview: Who gets to decide the future — political and economic elites, or ordinary people?Roger Hallam is a climate campaigner, author and co-founder of Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil. His books include Common Sense for the 21st Century and This Is Not a Drill contributor-related works, as well as Suicide: The Political and Legal Implications of Creating Endless Mass Death.This interview presents Hallam’s views and arguments. His claims and forecasts are discussed as part of the conversation and should not be taken as independently established conclusions simply because they are presented here.Subscribe to The Deep Focus Show for in-depth conversations with investigative journalists, authors, activists and leading voices on global politics, economics and the stories behind the headlines.00:00 Who Gets to Decide? Roger Hallam on Democracy00:50 Introducing Roger Hallam: Extinction Rebellion & Just Stop Oil02:41 Why Hallam Says the Climate Movement Isn’t Acting With Urgency08:56 Climate Change, Political Will & the Case for Revolution14:05 Citizens’ Assemblies: Can Ordinary People Lead?17:16 What Would a Nonviolent Political Revolution Look Like?23:23 Why Hallam Says One-Day Protests Aren’t Enough30:25 Climate Change, Political Power & Who Gets to Decide38:51 Spirituality, Community & Preventing Activist Burnout45:45 Building a Movement: What Hallam Wants People to DoLinks to Roger Hallam's work and how to get involved:https://rogerhallam.com/https://rebellion.global/Links to Arn Menconi's work:https://substack.com/@arnmenconihttps://x.com/ArnMenconihttps://arnmenconi.netThanks for tuning in!