Jeromy Johnson, from Slutty Grace Podcast, partners with RGWT Podcast to host David Artman and Jason Clark. The fella's explore Christian universalism not as a fashionable doctrine or theological loophole, but as a coherent, compelling way of seeing God—one that only makes sense if Jesus truly reveals a God whose love is measureless, non-violent, and relentlessly restorative. They push back on dualism, punishment frameworks, and the “ticking clock” gospel (say the prayer before you die or you’re done), and instead explore union, consent, and restoration—a God who doesn’t “look away,” whose justice flows through love, and whose “aeonian” correction is about healing, not revenge. Along the way: early church fathers, time and eternity, “Dr. Evil vs Dr. Frankenstein” theology, parking-lot faith conversations, and a stunning story about meeting God at rock bottom—and wondering if that God is “allowed in church.”

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In this conversation, Nathan Apffel shares his journey with Brooke Waters and Jason from being a filmmaker in the action sports industry to being a creator of a docuseries that explores the complexities of faith and the church. He discusses his personal experiences that shaped his understanding of God, the role of fatherhood in his spiritual awakening, and the importance of transparency and accountability within the church.

Nathan emphasizes the need for the church to evolve and address its issues while highlighting the beauty of community and personal ministry. The conversation also sets the stage for the second season of 'The Religion Business,' which aims to confront deeper issues within the church and offer tangible solutions.

Then the conversation turns to the role of the church in addressing social issues such as foster care, homelessness, and child sexual abuse. Nathan emphasizes the importance of community empowerment, the need for reform within church structures, and the potential for innovative models of gathering that foster connection and support.

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This conversation is a warm, funny, deeply human tour through Peter Helms’ story—and the theology that leaks out of it like “liquid love.” Peter opens up about life in Germany: a wildly inclusive open-home rhythm where atheists, grandkids, and a “youth group” of 70+ year-olds all belong at the same table. Peter frames the gospel as an awakening to what’s already true: God is not “over there,” but in us, with us, and mysteriously everywhere—drawing bigger circles than we ever could. The throughline is union and kindness: love wins, fear shrinks, stage-platform hierarchies fall away, and the “good news” becomes less about convincing people and more about hosting them—through presence, story, food, laughter, tears, and the simple, stubborn refusal to leave anyone outside the circle.

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