This conversation is a rich, honest exploration ofdeconstruction, charismatic culture, union with God, suffering, anger, and the actual shape of the gospel. Jason and John Crowder move past surface-level recent controversy and into the deeper issue beneath it all: separation-based theology. Rather than framing churchfailures as simply “gifting versus character,” they discuss the issue of Christology—whether our identity is rooted in union with Christ or in striving, performance, and spiritual hierarchy.

The guys unpack how revival culture, moralism, and celebrityChristianity often creates blind spots that protect systems over people, while the true gospel restores beloved identity, co-suffering love, and embodied grace. The conversation ultimately returns to Jesus—not as a spiritual ladder to climb, but as the revelation that we are already included, already loved, and invited to participate in a kingdom shaped by self-giving love rather than power, outrage, or control.

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In this deeply honest and sacred conversation, Lily Crowder shares the unthinkable journey of losing her 15-year-old son to suicide—and the slow, tender trust that followed. The conversation explored grief, trauma, and the dismantling of the God we thought we knew, making space for a bigger, more present God who meets us in our darkest places. This episode isn’t about easy answers—it’s about learning to sit in pain, to feel what we’ve been taught to avoid, and to rediscover beauty in the smallest moments, like the sound of birds breaking through the silence. If you’ve ever faced loss, wrestled with faith, or wondered if healing is possible, this conversation offers language, companionship, and hope.

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What if heaven isn't a distant destination — but a different dimension that's closer than we think?

In this conversation, Jason sits down with theologian, pastor, and author Brian Zahnd to explore his new book Unseen Existences — and what it means to recover a vision of transcendence in a world flattened by consumerism, politics, and pragmatism.

We talk about why losing sight of heaven turns Christianity into partisan politics. The pilgrimage of the soul — and why nothing real happens fast. What Jesus weeping at Lazarus's tomb tells us about God's co-suffering with us. The prayer Brian prayed on June 4th, 2000 that changed everything. The censored chapter his publisher wouldn't let him include — and where you can find it. Judas, Lazarus, universal hope, and the long arc of love

Unseen Existences, which releases May 19th — Pre-order available now at brianzahnd.com

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