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RelationSHIFT 2: It’s More than a Sex Narrative

RelationSHIFT 2: It’s More than a Sex Narrative

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Dr. Jackie Roese Kay Daigle In this second episode of this series, Dr. Jackie Roese explains the problem with the church's sex narrative. Don't miss this important conversation as she talks with Dr. Kay Daigle about how making men's and women's relationships in the church all about sex is a mistake and why it matters. Many of us have been taught the church's sex narrative and may need to consider its effects. Other Resources Dr. Sandra Glahn on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood Dr. Sandra Glahn on Women in Public Ministry: 1. Revisiting the Issue as Individuals; 2. Revisiting the Issue as Churches. and 3. Misread Women of the Bible. This episode can be accessed on video along with the first episode, It's Time for a RelationSHIFT: It's more than being biblical. If you missed it, you can find the 1st BOW Podcast episode on seeking a RelationSHIFT between men and women in the church: It's More than Being Biblical. Timestamps: 00:21 Introductions 01:13 An example 02:52 Sensitivity toward those who have been abused 03:23 The danger narrative/danger-romance narrative in the Church. 07:36 Is this narrative biblical? 08:48 The biblical narrative TranscriptKay >> Hi. I'm Kay Daigle of Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries. I'd like to welcome you to the second in our series on It's Time for a RelationSHIFT dealing with men and women working together in the church. My guest is Dr. Jackie Roese. Jackie is the Founder and President of The Marcella Project. And you can read more about her and her ministry online on our website at BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org. And I hope you will take advantage of that so that you can even contact Jackie if you need to. Jackie, in our first video, we talked about the fact that the situation between men and women and the way that we work together in the church is more than just the biblical and theological beliefs that we have. In this video, we're going to talk about the fact that there's more involved than just a sex narrative. And I wanted to tell you that not too long ago, a friend highly praised a sermon that she had just heard, so I went online to hear the sermon. It was about men and women together. And I think in light of all of the various things, the sermon focused on how to avoid any kind of sexual contact with anyone of the other sex. But I was pretty horrified because really if you followed what it said, pretty much you wouldn't talk to many men. And he seemed to suggest he told a story about a pastor who was having a book signing and whose son said, why are you so rude to the women? He said, “Oh, they'll whisper their hotel room number in your ear. They'll give you their key.” It seemed to be perfectly fine, according to the sermon, to just be rude to women to avoid them tempting you sexually. So with that background of my horror, really, at thinking about how does somebody even do this in this age with work and things like that, I don't even think it's a practical solution. But even if it were, there's something wrong with treating people poorly just because you think they're a threat. So I want to hear what you had to say. Jackie >> Yeah. So, wow, there's a lot there. First, I would say not only is it wrong because it's not biblical. Kay >> Oh, yeah. Jackie >> So, and this person that you were listening to, they're still teaching this danger romance narrative as the only narrative we see in Scripture. And it's actually not the largest narrative we see. It's not the emphasis of the New Testament. And so I want to talk a little about that. Before I do, let me just say with the #MeToo #ChurchToo movement, there has been a lot of sexual exploitation. And I am very aware and want to be very sensitive to the fact that when there is sexual failure in the church or in the home, it's devastating. And I want to be sensitive to that because people have experienced that. It has blown up their church when their pastor has been inappropriate with a woman or...
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