In this episode of Real Human Design Stories, I sit down with Jonah Dempcy, founder of the High Desert Human Design Conference and author of the new #1 Amazon release The Human Design Cult.

Jonah shares his 19-year journey within the Human Design System—from deep devotion and mystical experiences to the moment he began questioning the community’s culture of authority. We talk about what led him to write The Human Design Cult, how he now views the system through psychological and spiritual frameworks, and what Radical Self-Trust looks like after leaving something that once defined him.

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In this episode of Real Human Design Stories, I sit down with Carla Unger—a 2/4 Emotional Generator with a Triple Split Definition on the Right Angle Cross of Contagion.

Carla shares her powerful story of resilience after closing her wellness center during COVID, losing her grandmother, and experiencing miscarriage—all of which led her to Human Design. We talk about her early experiments with strategy and authority, her connection to Gate 14 and prosperity beyond money, and how she blends essential oils with Human Design to support emotional and physical wellbeing.

Episode Highlights

• Carla’s wellness journey and personal challenges

• Discovering Human Design and first experiments

• Variables, cold brew coffee, and magical synchronicities

• Honoring your “yes” and “no”

• Gate 14, prosperity, and the Cross of Contagion

• Fundraising for Henry’s Place & teaching massage

• Blending Human Design with essential oils

🌐 Connect & Resources

• Connect with Carla: wellnesswithcarla.com

• Run your free Human Design chart: KathyBochonko.com

• Get your Karmic Attraction Report (Unconscious Moon): kathybochonko.com/shop/unconscious-moon/

✨ Real people. Real stories. Real Human Design.

Sharing What Matters Most: Carla Unger, 2/4 Emotional Generator, RAX Contagion

🌕 Real Human Design Stories – Episode 81In Episode 81 of Real Human Design Stories, I’m joined by my dear collaborator Jess Tilly to share something that’s been deeply transformational for both of us: working with karma through our Human Design charts—specifically through the unconscious moon.This is a shorter episode, but one with big impact. We each tell the story of how our own unconscious moon placements (mine in Gate 1.4 and Jess’s in Gate 47) revealed hidden emotional patterns and ancestral influences—and how those stories cracked something open for us during a powerful masterclass in Austin.⸻👤 Guest Introduction: Jess TillyJess Tilly is a 4/6 Sacral Generator and co-creator of The Unwinding, An Intentional Unwinding of Karmic Threads and Conditioned Beliefs. She’s one of the most joy-filled, heart-centered people I know—always inviting transformation with a spark of laughter and grounded truth. In this episode, Jess and I share share our personal stories of Karma Clearing with Human Design. I'll tell you about the insights and experiences that came through from my maternal grandmother via my Unconscious moon in gate 1. Jess shares a deeply personal story about being cracked open by the very gate she resisted most: her unconscious moon in Gate 47.⸻💬 Main Discussion Points• 00:00 – Welcome and what this episode is about• 00:21 – The unconscious moon as a karmic entry point• 01:43 – Kathy’s Gate 1.4 story: family roles, direction, and the feminine lineage• 07:47 – Jess’s Gate 47 experience: the day everything cracked open• 14:22 – What we’ve created from this work: The Unwinding• 17:06 – Feedback from others going through this process⸻✨ Quotes from the Episode“I kept finding myself saying no to things because of how they would make other people in my life feel.” – Kathy Bochonko“I was like, ‘Hopeless? Not me.’ And then… it found me.” – Jess Tilley“These experiences are happening either way. The power is in the awareness.” – Jess Tilley⸻🔗 Ways to Connect More DeeplyWe’d love for you to explore your own karmic themes and join us in this work. Here’s how to take the next step:• Start with your Unconscious MoonDownload the free Karma Attraction Guide to explore the hidden emotional themes in your chart:https://kathybochonko.com/shop/unconscious-moon/• Watch the Karma by Design Masterclass ReplayThis 90-minute workshop walks you through the unconscious moon with guided reflections:https://www.corecalling.com/karma-by-design-masterclass• Join The UnwindingA monthly experience to gently unravel karmic threads and conditioned beliefs using Human Design, storytelling, and reflection.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jZMfyvm6mTNCwOtErCf65bO-nJ2pJO36_JyX1WsFODU/edit?usp=sharing• Want more context on Karma Clearing by Design™?Listen to Episode 80, which includes reflections on our experience with Chetan Parkyn’s teachings:https://youtu.be/uCqs_oGd9E0?si=QrJ4G-i0WranbhOhYou can also go deeper with the full original episode from our time in Austin (Episode 54):https://youtu.be/JbfGHamLjJ0?si=eJTGpxf0VMGu3BT9• Find all these links in one placeVisit the episode page at: https://www.realhumandesignstories.com⸻📣 Stay Connected• Follow Real Human Design Stories on your favorite podcast platform• Share this episode with someone who’s curious about karma or emotional healing• Watch more episodes on YouTube at @KathyBochonko• Join the conversation in the Intuitive Human Design Facebook group• Explore mentoring, readings, and services at https://kathybochonko.com

This is the conversation that started an entire evolution for me.

In this clip from my original interview with Chetan Parkyn (Episode 54), he shares the powerful roots of his Karma Clearing process—from teaching in China to uncovering the role of the unconscious Venus in how we give and receive love. This was my first exposure to this work, and it sparked the journey that eventually became Karma by Design.

✨ Learn how Human Design and ancestral healing come together in this transformational conversation.

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🗓 Sunday, June 29 at 2:00 PM ET

🌐 Sign up at: https://www.corecalling.com/karma-by-design-masterclass

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🔗 Connect with Chetan Parkyn

Explore his work and offerings at https://www.evolutionaryhumandesign.com

⏳ Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro to Human Design

01:20 – Genetic Inheritance & Karma

01:55 – Teaching in China

03:56 – Unconscious Venus

04:48 – Karma Clearing Process

06:00 – Ancestral Presence

09:11 – Soul Agreements & Relationship Patterns

10:49 – Radical Self-Love

11:10 – NASA & Lost Genius

15:31 – Finding Your Karma Keys

17:50 – Stories of Transformation

#HumanDesign #KarmaClearing #AncestralHealing #ChetanParkyn #RadicalSelfTrust #RealHumanDesignStories

🎙 Episode 79In this special episode of Real Human Design Stories, I switch seats and become the guest as Jess Tilly interviews me about what’s changing—both in my business and in the podcast. We explore the deeper layers of my Human Design experiment, including how radical self-trust became the foundation for every pivot I’ve made. From editing this episode myself for the first time to rethinking what it means to be seen, this conversation is full of insight, laughter, and clarity in motion.⏱ Timestamps0:00 Introduction to Real Human Design Stories00:27 A Unique Episode: Kathy Becomes the Guest00:42 Meet Jess Tilly: The Interviewer02:29 Introducing Kathy Bochonko03:49 Kathy’s Journey with Human Design11:35 The Evolution of the Podcast17:51 The Pivot: Embracing Change and Creativity28:57 Embracing the Beauty of Possibilities29:22 Understanding Recognition in Human Design30:15 The Dynamics of Projector and Generator Interactions31:27 The Complexity of Aura Mechanics32:59 The Importance of Authentic Self-Expression35:42 Navigating Multiple Interests and Talents38:52 The Power of Radical Self-Trust41:37 Celebrating Individual Style and Authenticity48:00 Upcoming Events and Offerings54:39 Concluding Thoughts and Encouragement🔗 Mentioned in This EpisodePrevious episodes mentioned–Ep 67 Pivoting to Your Dream Life with Jess Tilly, 4/6 Sacral Generatorhttps://youtu.be/KIj1WJXcpgM?si=me72xtIsGnqIs3LlMy solo episodesEp 64 Rest, Recognition & the Courage to Slow Downhttps://youtu.be/GbNvVNp3LUg?si=-n2d11zrv_6s586h Ep 68 A Year of Radical Self Trusthttps://youtu.be/ALf_PnHdKB8?si=f4ZkWjXVk1TqwOhi Ep 33 Embracing Authenticity: My Transformational Path as a 6/2 Emotional Projectorhttps://youtu.be/z8OF-AFSJHM?si=GbjNnmq6IOmLcaOq 🌟 Karma Clearing by Design: Free Masterclass 📅 June 11 at 1:11 PM EDT (Replay available for all who register) Sign up here → https://www.corecalling.com/karma-by-design-masterclass💛 Ready to Work Together? Book an Intuitive Human Design reading or explore mentorship: → https://kathybochonko.com/servicesConnect with Jess Tilly:→ https://JessTilly.com🌞 Transit Talk: Real Talk in Real Time Join Jess and me for Human Design insights every 6 days, streamed live in the Intuitive Human Design Facebook Group or catch the recordings here on YouTube or your favorite podcast platforms. Expect real conversations, shared experiences, and plenty of laughs.🪩💃I’m hosting the Shine Your Light Dance Experience at the International Human Design Conference in ColoradoTap Into Your Energy, Awaken Your Joy, and Dance Like You Mean It Grab your ticket here while early bird pricing is still available http://humandesignconference.com/?ref=100 👯‍♀️🌼Join me for 🌟 Embodied JoyGet Out of Your Head & Into Your Joy: A Movement Experience for Radical Self-Trust at the Santa Fe HDHD ConferenceI’ll add my affiliate link in the comments as soon as it’s ready.

In Episode 78 of Real Human Design Stories, I’m joined by the radiant Jahje Ives—a 5/1 Emotional Manifestor with the Left Angle Cross of Education. Jahje is a Human Design guide, transformational coach, and intuitive artist whose work channels beauty, emotion, and spirit through both language and paint.

We explore the cycles of creative energy, what it means to honor the urge instead of force the output, and how Human Design helped her transform grief into deep creative purpose. This episode is a love letter to art, trust, and becoming who you really are—when creativity calls.

A conversation on creative cycles, channeled art, and the power of trusting the urge.

Jahje Ives is a 5/1 Emotional Manifestor known for her vibrational, intuitive artwork and her powerful presence as a coach and Human Design guide. Raised in a Sufi community, Jahje brings spiritual depth and emotional truth to everything she touches—from the art studio to the coaching container. Her previous work has been featured by Nordstrom, Crate & Barrel, Vogue, HGTV, and more.

00:00 Into

00:30 Meet Jahje

01:30 Jahje’s Early Life and Spiritual Journey

02:16 Discovering Human Design

03:40 Impact of Human Design Reading

10:17 Personal Loss and Transformation

16:47 Creative Journey and Business Ventures

20:30 Artistic Evolution and Human Design

31:19 Upcoming Projects and Collaborations

32:06 Creative Process and Inspirations

34:10 Personal and Professional Adventures

35:08 Human Design and Personal Growth

38:41 Sufi Upbringing and Spiritual Insights

47:30 Marriage and Personal Relationships

53:32 Client Work and Services

56:29 Understanding the Left Angle Cross of Education

59:40 Conclusion and Contact Information

“When the energy is gone, it’s done.” – Jahje Ives

“I don’t plan the art—I open to it.” – Jahje Ives

“The creative urge isn’t something you can schedule.” – Jahje Ives

“You have the answers. Human Design just gives you the map back to yourself.” – Jahje Ives

Visit Jahje’s website – https://www.jahjeives.com

Follow Jahje on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/jahjeives

Explore Jahje’s Art & Portrait Offerings – https://www.jahjeives.com/art

Learn more about the 64 Gates Project – https://www.jahjeives.com/humandesign

Listen to more episodes – https://www.realhumandesign.com/podcast

And don’t forget: you can visit https://www.realhumandesignstories.com and find the episode page for this conversation to view Jahje’s Human Design chart and see some of her beautiful art.

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Don’t miss this heart-opening, art-fueled conversation with Jahje Ives. Whether you’re an artist, a Manifestor, or just someone learning to trust your own cycles—you’ll find something here that stirs your soul.

Peace Out ✌🏻🌼

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Death, Rebirth & the Shamanic Path of Shebala, Queen of Lions

3/5 Sacral Manifesting Generator | Right Angle Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix

In Episode 77 of Real Human Design Stories, I’m joined by the radiant force that is Shebala, Queen of Lions. Once an MIT MBA and award-winning brand marketer, Shebala now walks a very different path—as a shamanic healer, intuitive guide, and energetic powerhouse. We talk death and rebirth (literally), energetic resets, ancestral connection, and how Human Design helped her integrate it all.

Shebala is a 3/5 Sacral Manifesting Generator living out the Right Angle Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix. Her work now bridges spiritual initiation and grounded integration, helping others move through their own rebirth cycles. She blends her ancestral roots—Bayaka pygmies of the Central African Republic and the Akan people of Ghana—with Human Design, energy medicine, and intuitive channeling. If you’ve ever wondered what happens when the Phoenix actually rises—this episode is for you.

00:40 – From Santa Fe to Austin: how we met

02:50 – Shebala’s Human Design awakening (and her initial skepticism)

06:30 – Losing everything, finding something deeper

11:15 – The money channel and following her sacral

13:30 – The truth about being a Sleeping Phoenix

18:10 – Death, breathwork, and the name Shebala

22:05 – Living multiple charts and energetic resets

27:00 – Werewolf spine cracking and becoming the butterfly

32:15 – The power, presence, and intimacy in her chart

35:20 – From corporate branding to sacred medicine

42:55 – Family reactions, love, and support on the wild ride

49:25 – Channeling begins: ancestors, poems, and the roar

55:00 – Breaking out of the Human Design dogma

60:55 – What she offers now and how to work with her

Quotes from the Episode“I died. Twice. And I came back with a roar.” – Shebala“Human Design became my path to compassion.” – Shebala“I was trying to guide people with my sacral… but I needed to wait for recognition.” – Shebala“We’re not our chart—we’re who we are in this moment.” – Shebala“There’s power in the presence. That’s the real medicine.” – Shebala5.

Connect with Shebala – https://shebala.com

Follow her on Instagram – @shebalaqueenoflions

Looking to explore your own Human Design?

Download your free chart and learn more at KathyBochonko.com

You can also book a personal Human Design reading with me if you’re ready to go deeper into your design and your decision-making process. My calendar is open now.

Curious about the current energetic weather?

I share Transit Talk recordings approximately every 6 days, exploring how the Human Design transits are affecting us and how you can work with them intentionally.

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Share this episode with a friend walking their own shamanic or awakening path.

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Shebala doesn’t just talk about transformation—she lives it. If you’ve ever felt like your old life was dissolving and something deeper was calling you forward, her story will remind you that you’re not alone—and you’re not crazy. This is the work of the Phoenix. Thanks for listening, and don’t miss our next episode where we dive even deeper into what it means to truly live your design.

Peace Out ✌🏻🌼

Episode 76: Harmony in the Undergrowth - Juliana Christine, 3/5 Splenic ProjectorIn this episode, Kathy Bochonko introduces Juliana Christine, a 3/5 Splenic Projector, who shares her transformative journey through psychology and human design. Juliana discusses her unique approach as a relationship mentor and somatic psychotherapist, integrating earth wisdom and womb devotion to help women live authentically. She recounts her initial encounters with human design and how it profoundly changed her life. The conversation touches upon family dynamics, personal challenges, and the healing power of nature. Juliana also elaborates on her programs Sanctuary and Relationship Alchemy, which aim to redefine relationships through the lens of human design and natural wisdom.

Timestamps:

00:30 Introduction to Juliana Christine

02:09 Juliana’s Human Design Journey Begins

05:26 Discovering Projector Bitterness

08:21 Impact of Human Design on Relationships

16:50 Exploring Splenic Authority

24:16 Family Dynamics Influenced by Human Design

32:15 Understanding Aura and Identity Center

33:13 ‘The Heartbreak Hotel’: Dealing with Undefined Centers

34:23 Deep Conversations on Family Dynamics

35:34 Overcoming Struggles with Transformative Insights

38:46 Nature’s Healing Power

42:25 Lessons from Nature for Relationships

48:11 Managing Relationships and Personal Growth

55:46 Changing Family Dynamics

59:12 Karma Clearing and Generational Patterns

01:03:34 Programs and Contact Information

Connect with Juliana Christine:Juliana welcomes engagement through her platforms where she continues to share insights into human design, relationships, and holistic wellness. Visit her website at JulianaChristine.com or follow her on YouTube at Juliana Christine to explore more of her work and upcoming events

.Connect with Kathy:Join the Intuitive Human Design Facebook Group: Sign up for the Karma Clearing by Design Masterclass with Jess Tilly, based on the transformative teachings of Chetan Parkyn, and engage with Kathy and the community for more insights.

Visit Kathy’s Website: Access your free chart, explore in-depth reports, learn about readings, mentorship opportunities, and find out more about your human design at KathyBochonko.comFollow Transit Talks: Deepen your understanding of human design with Transit Talks, available as a podcast and a YouTube playlist.