In this episode of Real Human Design Stories, I sit down with Jonah Dempcy, founder of the High Desert Human Design Conference and author of the new #1 Amazon release The Human Design Cult.

Jonah shares his 19-year journey within the Human Design System—from deep devotion and mystical experiences to the moment he began questioning the community’s culture of authority. We talk about what led him to write The Human Design Cult, how he now views the system through psychological and spiritual frameworks, and what Radical Self-Trust looks like after leaving something that once defined him.

📘 Order the book: The Human Design Cult on Amazon

💻 Connect with Jonah: High Desert Human Design

🎥 Watch Jonah’s reading: YouTube Excerpt

💫 More from Kathy: kathybochonko.com

In this episode of Real Human Design Stories, I sit down with Carla Unger—a 2/4 Emotional Generator with a Triple Split Definition on the Right Angle Cross of Contagion.

Carla shares her powerful story of resilience after closing her wellness center during COVID, losing her grandmother, and experiencing miscarriage—all of which led her to Human Design. We talk about her early experiments with strategy and authority, her connection to Gate 14 and prosperity beyond money, and how she blends essential oils with Human Design to support emotional and physical wellbeing.

Episode Highlights

• Carla’s wellness journey and personal challenges

• Discovering Human Design and first experiments

• Variables, cold brew coffee, and magical synchronicities

• Honoring your “yes” and “no”

• Gate 14, prosperity, and the Cross of Contagion

• Fundraising for Henry’s Place & teaching massage

• Blending Human Design with essential oils

🌐 Connect & Resources

• Connect with Carla: wellnesswithcarla.com

• Run your free Human Design chart: KathyBochonko.com

• Get your Karmic Attraction Report (Unconscious Moon): kathybochonko.com/shop/unconscious-moon/

✨ Real people. Real stories. Real Human Design.

Sharing What Matters Most: Carla Unger, 2/4 Emotional Generator, RAX Contagion

🌕 Real Human Design Stories – Episode 81In Episode 81 of Real Human Design Stories, I’m joined by my dear collaborator Jess Tilly to share something that’s been deeply transformational for both of us: working with karma through our Human Design charts—specifically through the unconscious moon.This is a shorter episode, but one with big impact. We each tell the story of how our own unconscious moon placements (mine in Gate 1.4 and Jess’s in Gate 47) revealed hidden emotional patterns and ancestral influences—and how those stories cracked something open for us during a powerful masterclass in Austin.⸻👤 Guest Introduction: Jess TillyJess Tilly is a 4/6 Sacral Generator and co-creator of The Unwinding, An Intentional Unwinding of Karmic Threads and Conditioned Beliefs. She’s one of the most joy-filled, heart-centered people I know—always inviting transformation with a spark of laughter and grounded truth. In this episode, Jess and I share share our personal stories of Karma Clearing with Human Design. I'll tell you about the insights and experiences that came through from my maternal grandmother via my Unconscious moon in gate 1. Jess shares a deeply personal story about being cracked open by the very gate she resisted most: her unconscious moon in Gate 47.⸻💬 Main Discussion Points• 00:00 – Welcome and what this episode is about• 00:21 – The unconscious moon as a karmic entry point• 01:43 – Kathy’s Gate 1.4 story: family roles, direction, and the feminine lineage• 07:47 – Jess’s Gate 47 experience: the day everything cracked open• 14:22 – What we’ve created from this work: The Unwinding• 17:06 – Feedback from others going through this process⸻✨ Quotes from the Episode“I kept finding myself saying no to things because of how they would make other people in my life feel.” – Kathy Bochonko“I was like, ‘Hopeless? Not me.’ And then… it found me.” – Jess Tilley“These experiences are happening either way. The power is in the awareness.” – Jess Tilley⸻🔗 Ways to Connect More DeeplyWe’d love for you to explore your own karmic themes and join us in this work. Here’s how to take the next step:• Start with your Unconscious MoonDownload the free Karma Attraction Guide to explore the hidden emotional themes in your chart:https://kathybochonko.com/shop/unconscious-moon/• Watch the Karma by Design Masterclass ReplayThis 90-minute workshop walks you through the unconscious moon with guided reflections:https://www.corecalling.com/karma-by-design-masterclass• Join The UnwindingA monthly experience to gently unravel karmic threads and conditioned beliefs using Human Design, storytelling, and reflection.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jZMfyvm6mTNCwOtErCf65bO-nJ2pJO36_JyX1WsFODU/edit?usp=sharing• Want more context on Karma Clearing by Design™?Listen to Episode 80, which includes reflections on our experience with Chetan Parkyn’s teachings:https://youtu.be/uCqs_oGd9E0?si=QrJ4G-i0WranbhOhYou can also go deeper with the full original episode from our time in Austin (Episode 54):https://youtu.be/JbfGHamLjJ0?si=eJTGpxf0VMGu3BT9• Find all these links in one placeVisit the episode page at: https://www.realhumandesignstories.com⸻📣 Stay Connected• Follow Real Human Design Stories on your favorite podcast platform• Share this episode with someone who’s curious about karma or emotional healing• Watch more episodes on YouTube at @KathyBochonko• Join the conversation in the Intuitive Human Design Facebook group• Explore mentoring, readings, and services at https://kathybochonko.com