In part two of my conversation with Sall Grover, we discuss the political and legal fallout from the latest Tickle v Giggle decision, and what it means for women’s rights in Australia.

Sall explains why she intends to take the case to the High Court, how the Lesbian Action Group’s case intersects with her own, and why she believes politicians can no longer dismiss this as a “culture war” issue.

We also discuss women only spaces, lesbian events, the Sex Discrimination Act, the Australian Human Rights Commission, the media, and the question at the centre of the whole fight: what is a woman under Australian law?

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Sall Grover returns to discuss the latest ruling in the Tickle v Giggle case after the Full Bench of the Federal Court upheld the original decision and increased damages against her.

We discuss:

• Why the court ruled that excluding a male from a women-only app was unlawful discrimination

• The shift from indirect to direct discrimination

• Whether Australia’s Sex Discrimination Act now treats “woman” as a mixed-sex category

• The implications for women-only spaces, sport, services, and law

• The role of the Australian Human Rights Commission

• The ABC’s framing of the case as a victory for both “trans and women’s rights”

• Why this case has become one of the defining cultural and legal debates in Australia

This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation.

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ABC article discussed: https://www.abc.net.au/religion/giggle-for-girls-v-tickle-judgement-good-trans-womens-rights/106694548

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Nicole Mowbray of the Lesbian Action Group joins Monica Lewis to break down one of the most significant legal cases in Australia on sex-based rights.

The case centres on whether a lesbian group can legally exclude biological males from events under the Sex Discrimination Act. After being denied an exemption by the Australian Human Rights Commission and losing at the Administrative Review Tribunal, the group successfully challenged the ruling in the Federal Court in April 2026.

The decision has now been sent back to the tribunal, setting up a pivotal next phase in the legal battle.

Key Topics

• History of the Sex Discrimination Act (1985 → 2013 amendments)
• Why lesbian groups say they were “pushed underground” since the early 2000s
• The 2023 exemption request and rejection
• Administrative Review Tribunal ruling and reasoning
• Federal Court decision and why it was overturned
• The role of the Australian Human Rights Commission
• Tension between sex-based rights and gender identity
• Broader implications for women’s spaces, sport, and institutions

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Related Episodes

Sal Grover interview (Tickle v Giggle case): https://open.spotify.com/episode/4CIufJdvUCw685gdPtJeYE?si=78425f297cfb46e8