In the third installment of the conversation between Darnell and Thomas, Darnell talks about the welcoming nature of Coat of Colours and how seeking “to decrease the cultural divide and increase a multicultural presence” is defining the group. They also talk about how the white gay members of the community have a real sense of what it means to be marginalized, but often worry about their own space and don’t go any deeper.

In part two of the conversation between Darnell and the podcast producer Thomas, we discover why it is that Thomas and Kasandra wanted to be a part of a predominately LGBTQIA+ church and how they got to Cathedral of Hope. They talk about how Tom came to be not only a participant in Coat of Colours, but was also given the opportunity to contribute in meaningful ways.

In part one of this conversation, we turn the microphone around on the producer of the podcast. Coat of Colours member Darnell sits down with Thomas to ask about what he’s seen and heard from the interviews so far and what he sees as a straight, white ally who is in an interracial marriage. And how being noticed as a marginalized person, even when the comment is meant as a compliment, is still awkward and maybe means more to the one who is doing the noticing.

We also want to apologize for how badly Tom’s office chair needs a spray of WD-40. His squeaky chair is a bit noisy.