What if you didn't have to believe in God to begin exploring religion? Rabbi Elliot Cosgrove and Jon Frankel welcome Rabbi Noa Kushner, founder of San Francisco's experimental Jewish community The Kitchen and author of Pretend You Believe: How to Enter Religion. Together, they explore why organized religion still matters in an increasingly secular world, and whether faith is something we must understand before we can experience it.

From the barriers that keep people outside religious communities to the power of ritual, belonging, and awe, Rabbi Kushner challenges the idea that belief must come first. She shares how The Kitchen is reimagining Jewish communal life without abandoning tradition, why ancient practices may hold answers to modern questions, and how taking a leap into the unknown can open the door to something greater. It's a conversation about doubt, discovery, and finding meaning in a world that often asks us to figure everything out for ourselves.

Rabbi Noa Kushner:

https://www.thekitchensf.org/staff

Rabbi Elliot Cosgrove:

https://www.instagram.com/elliot_cosgrove

https://x.com/RabbiCosgrove

Park Avenue Synagogue:
https://www.pasyn.org

https://www.instagram.com/parkavenuesyn/#

Jon Frankel:

https://www.instagram.com/skifrankel

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