Ben, Jared, and Scott are joined by Stephen Estock, coordinator of the PCA's Committee on Discipleship Ministries (CDM), as the RAO series continues through the permanent committees and agencies. Stephen shares his path from Birmingham to the Air Force, Covenant Seminary, and the pastorate, and how he came to lead CDM, formerly Christian Education and Publications.

He describes CDM's mission to strengthen the local church as it makes disciples, organized around five streams: children, youth, women, men, and older adults. CDM calls itself "a broker of relationships and resources," connecting people to people and people to resources through ministry teams drawn from local churches. The conversation covers CDM's conferences, including the first men's ministry conference and the Pressing On conference for the wives of elders. It also covers how presbytery committees can encourage non-ordained ministry workers, and the fifty-year joint ministry with the OPC in Great Commission Publications.

Stephen also recommends resources worth knowing about, including Heirs of the Covenant, the Road Talk, Meal Talk, and Soul Talk booklets, Children's Ministry 101, the Westminster Confession in everyday language, and the BCO Basics video series. He closes with encouragements and challenges in discipleship ministry and three prayer requests: keep us faithful, keep us grounded, provide for us.

Links and resources

• Committee on Discipleship Ministries
• CDM conferences: Men's Ministry Conference, Pressing On (women), Children's LEAD 2026, Student ministry conference
• Great Commission Publications
• Heirs of the Covenant (Susan Hunt)
• Westminster Reader
• Road Talk and Meal Talk (John Kwasny)
• Children's Ministry 101 (CDM children's resources)
• The Westminster Confession of Faith in Everyday Language (Jimmy Agan)
• BCO Basics (free video series)

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Ben and Jared are joined again by PCA Stated Clerk Fred Greco to walk through Chapter 3 of the Rules of Assembly Operation, which covers the Stated Clerk. Fred explains what the job is and isn't: clerical rather than spiritual leadership ("He's not the bishop of the PCA"), the qualifications in RAO 3-5, and why the clerk is a trusted source of constitutional advice precisely because he doesn't take sides.

The conversation moves through the clerk's role as an ambassador to other denominations, the structure and culture of the Administrative Committee staff, and the unglamorous logistics behind General Assembly, down to charging stations. Fred describes the AC as "the utility company of the PCA": the ministry nobody notices when it works. He also makes the case for the PCA Historical Center and Wayne Sparkman's work there, and invites listeners to consider a donation to the Administrative Committee.

Links:

• PCA Historical Center
• PCA Administrative Committee
• Polity Matters #91, 52nd PCAGA Recap (with Wayne Sparkman)

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Jared Nelson and Scott Edburg are joined by Mel Duncan, moderator of the 53rd General Assembly, to walk through the first two chapters of the Rules of Assembly Operations. Chapter 1 covers calling the General Assembly to order, the opening sermon and exhortation, the stated clerk's enrollment report, and the election of the moderator, including nominating speeches, ballots, and clickers. Chapter 2 turns to the moderator's duties: presiding, inviting others to preside, calling the next assembly to order, and the floor privileges of former moderators.

Mel describes the moderator as a servant of the assembly rather than its master. "You're the umpire," he says, and the job is to call balls and strikes. Along the way he talks about why a moderator has to know the docket, how much the stated clerk carries, the unwritten duties that come with the office (study committees and a committee for fasting and prayer among them), and the practical challenges of sound, lighting, microphones, and the kill switch. He also gets into a point of order and the clickers, and closes with gratitude for the PCA.

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With the Book of Church Order wrapped up, Ben, Jared, and Scott prepare listeners for the coming round of Presbytery meetings. The 53rd General Assembly sent seven BCO amendments to the presbyteries for advice and consent (BCO 26). Each must be voted on as a whole, needs two-thirds of presbyteries, and then a majority at a subsequent GA. The guys walk through what each one says and why it was proposed, plus one informational item that isn't up for a vote.

Links and resources

• Overtures Library: https://overtures26.replit.app/
• BCO Amendment Tracking Dashboard: https://www.pcaac.org/dashboard/
• Book of Church Order: https://www.pcaac.org/bco/
• BCO amendments sent to the presbyteries (53rd GA): https://www.pcaac.org/resources/presbyteries/presbytery-clerks-download-page/

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The Fullness of Grace by Stephen Yuille
A Neglected Grace by Jason Helopoulos
The Family Worship Bible Guide

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Discussion of the seven sections of BCO 62 on Days of Fasting and Thanksgiving.

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Ben, Jared, and Scott walk through Chapter 61 of the PCA Book of Church Order ("The Burial of the Dead"), discussing the theology and practicalities of conducting funerals and graveside services. They cover how to balance worshipping God with comforting the living, navigate sensitive pastoral situations like cremation and services for unbelievers, and train ministry interns in funeral care.

Referenced Links & External Resources

• Leading in Worship by Terry L. Johnson: Liturgical resource cited for graveside committal services.
• Article by Steven Spinnenweber: Article (and accompanying sermon) on preaching the gospel clearly while conducting his sister's funeral.
• The Book of Common Prayer (1662 & 1979 editions): Historical liturgical references for burial orders.
• Matthew Henry's Deathbed Reflection.
  Upon his death bed, Matthew Henry wrote this note to his loved ones, to be read when he had passed.
  “Would you like to know where I am? I am at home in my Father's house, in the mansions prepared for me here. I am where I want to be – no longer on the stormy sea, but in God's safe, quiet harbor. My sowing time is done and I am reaping: my joy is as the joy of harvest.
  Would you like to know how it is with me? I am made perfect in holiness. Grace is swallowed up in glory.
  Would you like to know what I am doing? I see God, not as through a glass darkly, but face to face. I am engaged in the sweet enjoyment of my precious Redeemer. I am singing hallelujahs to Him who sits upon the throne, and am constantly praising Him.
  Would you know what blessed company I keep? It is better than the best on earth. Here are the holy angels and the spirits of just men made perfect...I am with many of my old acquaintances with whom I worked and prayed, and who have come here before me.
  Lastly, would you know how long this will continue? It is dawn that never fades! After millions and millions of ages, it will be as fresh as it is now. Therefore, weep not for me!”

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