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A conversation with Steve Tout, author of The CISO on the Razor's Edge, about what it really takes to lead cybersecurity in today's complex environment. Steve draws from systems thinking, game theory, and real-world advisory experience across high tech and financial services to reframe cybersecurity as a leadership challenge — not just a tech problem.

We dig into the pressures reshaping the modern CISO, why alignment beats control, how to navigate chaos with clarity, and why too many security leaders burn out under impossible expectations.

If you've ever felt like you're leading from the edge, this episode is for you.

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