Maternity leave, round two. We’re opening up about what it’s really like the second time around: what’s easier, what’s harder, and what no one warns you about.

We’re also swapping stories about the surprise chats with strangers that happen when you’re out with a bump or a pram.

If you have ever had a Sunday night existential spiral about your job, pull up a chair. You’re in good company.

This week, we get honest about the fact that we’re both in a slight mid-career funk. We talk about why it feels so hard to pivot, what’s holding us back, and what it would even mean to reinvent ourselves whilst we’re juggling kids, mortgages and a whole lot of “but what if we get it wrong?”. We don’t have the answers, but we’re asking the questions out loud.

Content note: We talk about sexual harassment in this episode. If anything we discuss brings up something for you, support is available through 1800RESPECT (1800 737 732) in Australia, 24/7.

Two friends. Two corporate careers. Both on maternity leave. Out of Office is the long, wandering conversation about adult life beyond motherhood and work: money, ambition, nostalgia, tech, identity and everything in between.

We don’t have a plan for what comes next, and that’s the whole point. Come figure it out with us, one episode at a time.

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