In this episode we go deep: twenty years as a metalhead and the Norwegian black metal pilgrimage that ended in a move from Calgary to Helsinki, the oil and gas internship that made him want to defend real machines instead of writing code, what a cybersecurity job actually looks like when the thing you're protecting is a pipeline, the night ransomware came through on his shift, finding Bitcoin during COVID because he had to move his life across the world, why he calls Bitcoin a monetary grid and treats it like critical infrastructure, quantum computing explained properly and the three things you should actually do about it, mining centralisation and the 51% problem nobody wants to name, the scams working right now and the Zoom call you should never join, the five dollar wrench attack, and the arbitrary data fight — why he's called spam a vulnerability since 2023 and where he lands on BIP 110. Plus fatherhood, burnout, and the famous closing question. A cybersecurity professional's honest look at what's strong in Bitcoin and what isn't. This one's for anyone who'd rather see the risks clearly than pretend they aren't there.

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Website: https://defendingbitcoin.com

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Nostr: https://primal.net/luke

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Bitcoin Infinity Show: https://www.bitcoininfinityshow.com

Books mentioned: Defending Bitcoin: Industrial-Grade Cybersecurity for the Monetary Grid · The Praxeology of Privacy (Max Hillebrand) · Bitcoin Development Philosophy (Kalle & Linnéa Rosenbaum)

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Chapters

00:00 — Intro: a decade defending power grids, pipelines and refineries

02:16 — Who Luke de Wolf is

03:55 — Moving from Canada to Finland for the metal scene

07:09 — Living in nature and four-hour winter days

08:28 — The bands: Burzum, Gorgoroth, Taake, Finntroll, Korpiklaani

12:25 — Is there something metalhead about Bitcoiners?

14:34 — Calgary, computer science & the oil and gas internship that clicked

20:10 — What a cybersecurity job actually looks like

23:06 — Incident response and the night ransomware came through

26:42 — The day job now: protecting the engines behind AI data centres

27:42 — Finding Bitcoin during COVID while moving across the world

30:52 — Why people find Bitcoin when they need it

33:34 — A message to a generation raised online

36:42 — Spend and replace: actually using Bitcoin as money

38:26 — Say yes to everything: how a volunteer co-founded a company

42:34 — Why Bitcoin is a monetary grid: mining, demand response & heat reuse

46:47 — The threat people underestimate: what happens when Bitcoin changes

52:55 — Run a node — your node is your voice on the network

56:24 — A risk manager's take on BIP 110 activating

57:51 — Quantum computing: Shor's algorithm and Satoshi's coins explained

1:06:57 — Don't trust, verify: how to assess risk for yourself

1:07:49 — Refineries vs wallets: why keeping it running beats keeping it secret

1:13:48 — Why he's honest about Bitcoin's weaknesses instead of cheerleading

1:17:58 — Mining centralisation, Foundry & the 51% problem

1:24:04 — Scams, fake support emails and the Zoom call trap

1:28:34 — The five dollar wrench attack and privacy as a security control

1:33:06 — Bitcoin is money, not data storage: the arbitrary data fight

1:41:13 — What BIP 110 does and the gap between devs and users

1:46:49 — Why spam is a vulnerability, not harmless graffiti

1:51:39 — Becoming a dad and what it changed

1:53:34 — Burnout, motivation and learning to say no

1:59:34 — Rapid fire round

2:01:38 — The famous closing question

2:02:30 — Where to find Luke + outro

In this episode we go deep: moving from South Korea to America at seven and learning English by being thrown in the deep end, finding Bitcoin at $1 and the one he never bought, the wild Vitalik Buterin colour coins story, the SegWit scaling wars told like we were there, why fiat ruins everything from marriage to education, agentic AI and self-sovereign robots, faith and money, "Go West, young man" as advice for a broke sixteen-year-old — and then the two big ones: BIP 110 and ProductionReady, the conservative third Bitcoin client he's building. Plus the famous closing question.

A history lesson, a warning, and a serious dose of optimism. This one's for anyone who wants to understand where Bitcoin's been — and the fight over where it's going next.

Follow Jimmy Song:

Website: https://jimmysong.org

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Substack: https://jimmysong.substack.com

YouTube: search "Jimmy Song"

Books mentioned:

Programming Bitcoin (O'Reilly) · The Little Bitcoin Book · Fiat Ruins Everything · Thank God for Bitcoin

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Chapters

00:00 — Intro: 27 years of code, 13 years of Bitcoin

02:03 — Born in South Korea, moving to America at seven

06:37 — Finding Bitcoin in 2011 (and the $1 he never bought)

13:24 — The idea vs the code: earning his first Bitcoin

17:08 — The Vitalik Buterin & colour coins story

20:20 — From liking Bitcoin to becoming a builder

27:15 — Armory, custody & being too early

31:43 — Paxos, Blockchain Capital & what VCs really want

37:30 — The SegWit / SegWit2x scaling wars, told like we were there

48:05 — The single biggest lesson from SegWit

49:59 — Programming Bitcoin: why write the book?

57:24 — Education, first principles & the Socratic method

1:02:42 — Rethinking money, then rethinking software with AI

1:08:21 — Robots, Tesla FSD & self-sovereign everything

1:13:36 — Fiat Ruins Everything: the core case

1:19:06 — How fiat debases marriage & the family

1:25:26 — Faith, money & Thank God for Bitcoin

1:28:42 — The case for optimism: "Go West, young man"

1:40:41 — What is BIP 110 and what problem does it fix?

1:47:00 — ProductionReady: a third Bitcoin client explained

1:52:17 — What happens in the one-year BIP 110 window?

1:58:00 — What actually happens to your transaction at go-live

2:06:52 — Ossification, sound money & 200-year planning

2:08:33 — Rapid fire round

2:11:07 — The famous closing question

2:11:50 — Where to find Jimmy + outro

We flip the script on the man who's spent more time than almost anyone asking Bitcoiners their story — Phil, aka Coinicarus. Host of the Fun with Bitcoin podcast, founder of Pleb Underground, convener of the Lightning Node Roundtable, and an OG voice in Bitcoin pleb culture since 2016.

In this episode we go deep: how broken money shaped him growing up in Montreal, getting debanked at 23, finding Bitcoin out of pure necessity, getting wrecked on shitcoins and clawing his way back, why he walked away from Simply Bitcoin, the truth about influencers vs. plebs, broken fiat medicine, low time preference, and his advice for the next generation. Plus the famous closing question.

A warning, a philosophy, and a lot of laughs. This one's for anyone who wants the human side of Bitcoin — not just the charts.

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Chapters

00:00 — Intro: flipping the script on Coinicarus

02:07 — Growing up in Montreal & noticing money was broken

04:42 — His father's bankruptcy & the question that changed everything

06:34 — Debanked at 23: learning money is all on loan

10:43 — Finding Bitcoin out of necessity

14:01 — Keynesian schooling & The Creature from Jekyll Island

17:40 — Why no debt ever gets repaid

18:10 — Life before Bitcoin: dividend stocks & escaping the grind

21:00 — Gen Z, uni, and the collapse of the old career ladder

26:12 — Why you must save 10% (and why it's not fun)

33:33 — The MasterCard bet & betting on the money supply

35:26 — "BMW markets to people who can't afford one"

38:47 — Would he be different if he'd found Bitcoin 10 years earlier?