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Nothing Is Free: A Hungarian Refugee's Warning to Young Americans | Agnes Gibboney

Nothing Is Free: A Hungarian Refugee's Warning to Young Americans | Agnes Gibboney

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Guest: Agnes Gibboney was born in Budapest, Hungary, about ten years after the communist regime took power, and was two years old when her parents fled with one suitcase in January 1957. Her family spent ten months in a refugee camp in Yugoslavia and thirteen years in Brazil before immigrating legally to the United States. Hungary stripped the family of its citizenship, and she was told at the immigration office in Los Angeles in 1977 that she was stateless. She returned to Budapest that year while the country was still communist, and many times since. She is an angel mom whose son Ronald was killed by an illegal immigrant, a 2020 candidate for Congress, and a public speaker on border security and the reality of life under socialism. This episode is part of The Jenny Beth Show's Surviving Communism series. Key topics: • Why every Hungarian conversation her parents had was about the same fear: a neighbor reports you, the police take you, no trial, no hearing, a forced labor camp• Budapest in 1977: gray cars, bullet holes in the buildings, and an uncle who answered a question about communism with "shh"• Stateless: how the Hungarian government took the family's citizenship, and what an immigration officer in Los Angeles told her it meant• The first escape attempt: soldiers surround the family at the border and take the suitcase of cigarettes they meant to sell for food• January 1957: a pharmacist friend's concoction puts a two-year-old to sleep, and her father jumps the border ditch into Yugoslavia with her in his arms• The refugee camp, and the three siblings her parents lost• Why they left: a father who was anti-communist and "speaking up too much"• Thirteen years in Brazil, two lapsed applications, and the knock on the door that opened the American embassy in Rio• The Communist Party moves a stranger into her parents' house: "Do you want me to report you?"• Her mother left Hungary without saying goodbye to her own mother, afraid she would be reported; they never saw each other again• Letters, and an international call arranged at the post office• Life before communism: Margaret Island on Saturdays, lunch and a movie on Sundays• The New York Times, 1950: milk products "disappeared completely" from Budapest, meat "as rare as eggs," and food exported to pay for the five-year plan• One liter of milk a day for three children; one pound of meat a week for a family• Baptism was against the law, so her godparents carried her through the back of the church• Bribing doctors, and waiting years for a replacement• Stalin's statue, radio propaganda that said Americans were starving in the streets, and how the regime took from the rich, then the middle class, then the poor• The Democratic Socialists of America pitch of no rent and no medical bills, and her question for every young person who believes it• What a "free phone" from the government really costs• Cuba today, and why she says socialism and communism are the same thing• The utopia that never arrives: "coming soon"• Her mother, who worshiped the United States and waited thirteen years to get here• Her daughter's fear for her safety, and where Jenny Beth Martin says her courage comes from• The Cal State San Bernardino student who learned communism was good from his professor and never checked• Her charge to Americans born here: get an education, do your own research, stand up for this country Timestamps: 00:19 — Welcome: Agnes Gibboney and the Surviving Communism series00:41 — Born in Budapest ten years into communism; afraid to speak even to siblings01:49 — Hungary in 1977: an uncle who answered "shh"03:42 — Stateless: "You don't belong anywhere"04:48 — The first escape attempt: soldiers and a suitcase of cigarettes06:08 — January 1957: a pharmacist's concoction and a jump over the border ditch07:34 — The refugee camp in Yugoslavia: a baby brother lost08:27 — Martha and Clara: a sister's grave she rebuilt and paid for herself10:21 — Why they left: a father who spoke up too much11:34 — Thirteen years in Brazil, two lapsed applications, a knock on the door12:27 — The immigration medical check: "what a concept that is"13:22 — Childhood memories of Brazil; going back to Hungary14:29 — Budapest under communism: gray cars, bullet holes in the buildings15:45 — Before they left: a house of their own, a cabinetmaker's good living17:08 — The Communist Party moves a stranger into their home: "That's free housing"18:09 — Leaving family behind without saying goodbye; the wooden box her father made19:43 — Letters, a call at the post office; she never saw her mother again20:50 — Her mother lived the return trip through her21:51 — Her father's silence, and a night in Copacabana23:24 — Life before communism: Margaret Island Saturdays, Sunday lunch and a movie24:24 — The New York Times, 1950: food shortages reach the front page26:06 — One liter of milk a day for three children26:...
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