If you do creative work, you're probably no stranger to self-doubt and the challenge of curiosity that has you jumping from one project to the next.

In this episode, writer and multi-creative David Ochart opens up about the relentless pull he feels toward exploring new artistic outlets like improv, drawing, candle making, and more - regardless of whether he masters them or not. Also in this episode:

✨ The joy and guilt of following your curiosities without expectation ⛓️ Shedding the pressure to create a "legacy-defining" brilliant work 🧠 How improv helped David confront his insecurities 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Unconventional family dynamics that fueled his creativity

With humor, thoughtfulness, and relatable vulnerability, David reframes what it means to embrace your creative whims while living joyfully. For any creative who has ever felt stuck, stifled, or unsure, I hope this chat offers the understanding voice you need.

In this episode, we dive into Zach's life as a musician and parent—from morning routine, complete with unexpected hugs and a nostalgic Lego-building session, to the ways music helps him process trauma. Zach sheds light on the Wild West nature of the industry, detailing his journey from crafting albums to writing for licensing projects. The discussion also delves into the post-COVID touring landscape, revealing the struggles and triumphs of an indie musician finding their footing in a changing music scene. From the joys of collaborating with other artists to the potential future of virtual reality concerts, this episode provides a candid and insightful look into the life, challenges, and evolving experiences of a passionate musician.

Learn more about Zach Pietrini and listen to his music at ZachPietrini.com

Not Famous offers a look at the places where creativity meets real life. While it's easy to find interviews and articles featuring famous singers, artists, and creatives of all stripes, Not Famous explores what a creative life looks like for the millions of people—songwriters, storytellers, artists, coders, activists and more—who aren't household names. To learn about building a creative life without the entourages, personal chefs, and fanfare…tune in to Not Famous.