At 15, John Vander Hoek was studying the real estate paper and dreaming about properties he could fix up. But turning those ideas into a business meant taking an honest look at himself—and realizing he was all talk and no action.

In Episode 8 of No Two Roads, Darren Leffers and Brent Rook sit down with John of Karvin Developments, a builder, developer, investor, realtor, and member of the Leffers & Rook team.

John shares his journey from early mornings on a dairy farm and long days framing in the rain to building his first home and taking on larger developments in Chilliwack. Along the way, we talk about the discipline it took to get started, the lessons learned through changing markets, and why he always considers the worst-case scenario before making an investment.

In this episode:
• Studying the real estate market as a teenager
• The wake-up call that turned ambition into action
• Saving for his first home build
• Growing from framing to building and land development
• Managing debt, navigating downturns, and protecting peace of mind
• Building a team of good people and trusted trades
• The experience behind Shannon Heights on Little Mountain
• Memorable investments—and what he would do differently
• How success shifted from proving his dad wrong to enjoying family, health, and time outdoors

It’s an honest conversation about building a business over decades, learning from mistakes, and figuring out what makes the work worthwhile.

We hope you enjoy watching and listening. Subscribe or follow No Two Roads for more conversations about life, business, and the different paths that get us where we are.

What stood out to you from John’s story? Leave a comment—and let us know who you’d like to hear from next.

No two roads are the same…

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In this episode, Brent and Darren break down what it really takes to scale a business without burning yourself out along the way.

They talk about recognizing when it’s time to hire, delegating the tasks that drain your time, and focusing your energy on the work that actually grows your business. They also dive into why many new realtors struggle to gain traction, the importance of building genuine relationships, and why the best leads usually come from trust—not simply paying for leads.

From setting healthier boundaries to building systems, hiring support, nurturing past clients, and creating a community around your business, this episode is packed with practical lessons drawn from Brent and Darren’s own experience growing their real estate team.

Whether you’re a realtor, small-business owner, or entrepreneur trying to reach the next level, we hope you’re able to pull something valuable from the conversation.

In this episode, we sit down with entrepreneur and investor Jared Bouwman.

From growing up as a pastor’s kid in rural Australia to studying engineering, developing products, buying businesses and building a growing investment portfolio, Jared’s journey has been anything but conventional.

Jared shares what he has learned about finding your calling, making confident decisions, turning ideas into action and building businesses that create lasting value for the people behind them.

We hope you enjoy watching and listening—and that you’re able to pull something valuable from Jared’s unique approach to business and life.

In this episode we bring on the man behind the camera... Jeremy Pue of White Cloud Productions.

We have had the privilege of working together for many years now. Jeremy is responsible for all of the video content behind Leffers and Rook and has built his business from the ground up over nearly 10 years.

A pastor's kid finding his way, Jeremy tells us about his upbringing and how he eventually started his company and built it to what it is today.

We hope you enjoy watching and listening, and hope that you're able to pull something valuable out of Jeremy's business journey.

In Episode 4 we talk to our friend Kent Ostermeier - Partner at Prospan and Fabtech Design & Build.

Over the past 20-plus years, Kent has helped grow two respected Fraser Valley companies while working alongside builders, contractors, and business leaders across the region. What he has accomplished is incredible, and we hope you enjoy listening to our conversation with him as much as we enjoyed having it!

In our third episode we couldn't be more excited to bring on our first guest!

He 'sthe founder of Raven Roofing and a successful business owner, Neil Rook. He is also none other than Brent's Dad!

Neil shares about his journey starting Raven Roofing from nothing, shares some wisdom along the way, and provides some insight that would be valuable to any business owner.

So sit back, relax, and maybe take some notes... because Neil is a gem with some good wisdom to share.

In this episode Brent and Darren take you through the history of their real estate marketing company - Leffers and Rook - from how it began all the way up to who their current team is today and how it's shaped them along the way.

Have you ever wondered how they got to where they are? Now's your chance to find out!

Stay tuned for our next episode where we interview our first guest on the show - Thanks for coming along for the ride!

Welcome to the No Two Roads Podcast with Darren Leffers and Brent Rook!

In this first Episode we get into our backgrounds - Origin stories, if you will. What shaped us and led us to where we are today? How did we get here? What was our upbringing like? We also talk about what the main focus of our podcast will be, what types of interviews we'll be doing, and hope that you guys enjoy joining us on this new adventure.

No two roads are the same, and we want to help showcase that with our friends here in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.