In this conversation, John Fullerton and Sandja Brügmannexplore the urgent need for a reimagined economic and financial system that serves life. They discuss the concept of the polycrisis, which encompasses interconnected crises such as climate change and inequality, and emphasize the importance of shifting worldviews from separation to unity. The dialogue highlights the necessity of effective communication, the role of consciousness in systemic change, and the potential for regenerative economics to align purpose with investment. They also address the challenges of navigating chaos and the importance of finding joy in the transformative work ahead.

New Global Mind: A video podcast exploring brighter futures through leadership. A new series from The Passion Institute. Each episode explores innovative ideas, wisdom and strategies with cross-disciplinary experts in systems science, strategictransformation, human behavior, consciousness, sustainability, psychology, economics, spirituality, and technology.

Takeaways

The economy is a living system, not a machine

The polycrisis encompasses interconnected crises like climate change and inequality

A worldview shift is necessary to address root causes of crises

Dialogue is essential for generative conversations and understanding

We must work on consciousness to change the systems we inhabit

Islands of coherence can shift entire system

Regenerative economics is about aligning purpose with investment

First principles of living systems guide sustainable practices

Potential exists in all systems, but must be nurtured

Collective rising consciousness can lead to systemic change

Chapters

00:00 A Bold Reimagination of Economics

03:10 Understanding the Polycrisis

05:04 The Myth of Separation

07:24 Worldview Shifts and Integral Age Thinking

09:59 The Challenge of Communication

12:19 Navigating Emotional Immaturity

14:29 Paradigm Shifts in Economics

17:05 Living Systems and Economic Health

19:29 Experiential Learning and Regenerative Economics

21:44 Potential and Darkness in Living Systems

30:48 The Dark Side of Algorithms

32:58 First Principles and Business Models

36:42 The State of the Global Economy

40:51 Paradigm Shifts and Collective Consciousness

43:20 Strategies for Change

47:16 Finding Joy in the Work

Links:

www.CapitalInstitute.org

Places to Intervene in a System https://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/

Savory Institute https://savory.global/

Mondragon Corporation https://www.mondragon-corporation.com/en/

The Passion Institute www.ThePassionInstitute.com

About John B. Fullerton is an American economist, investor, with a previous international career at JP Morgan, and author of the 2015 booklet, Regenerative Capitalism: How Universal Patterns and Principles Will Shape the New Economy.

Fullerton began his financial career with JPMorgan managing numerous capital markets and derivaties businesses around the globe, and was JPMorgan’s Oversight Committee Representative that managed the rescue of Long Term Capital Management in 1998. Following his retirement from JP Morgan, in 2010, he created the Capital Institute, a think-tank on regenerative economic theory, an attempt to imagine economics and finance in service to life.

About Host Sandja Brügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute—a strategic transformation institute—a global visionary in leadership and strategic transformation, engages thought leaders and practitioners to shape our collective future. Named one of the "World's Leadership Gurus" byLederne and known as 'The Board Whisperer' among leaders, she is renowned for her expertise in systems awareness and strategic sustainable transformation. She and team empower forward-thinking organizations and leaders to cultivate theskills and strategies crucial for the transition.

A short teaser host Sandja Brügmann in talk with John Fullerton, CEO Capital Institute, an American economist, investor, with a previous international career at JP Morgan, and author of the 2015 booklet, Regenerative Capitalism: How Universal Patterns and Principles Will Shape the New Economy in conversation with

This teaser is part of the full episode : A bold reimagination of economics and finance in service to life - to release on September 15, 2025

New Global Mind: A video podcast exploring brighter futures through leadership. A new series from The Passion Institute. Each episode explores innovative ideas, wisdom and strategies with cross-disciplinary experts in systems science, strategic transformation, human behavior, consciousness, sustainability, psychology, economics, spirituality, and technology.

Shownotes

we're, trying to problem solve all of these crises, but we'll never problem solve without first shifting.

In a sense, it's a worldview shift to understand. the premise of my work is the economy is not a machine. It's a living system. And, there is a science of living systems. It's called living system science. And we've learned an awful lot about living systems in the past 50 years that we didn't know before that. But economics as a discipline and business and business management as a discipline, all predated.

the emergence of, we could simplify and just call it ecology, but it's a much more sophisticated understanding of how living systems from the microscopic right up to the planet itself and cosmologists believe the entire universe actually work.

About the host Sandja Brügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institut —a strategic transformation institute—a global visionary in leadership and strategic transformation, engages thought leaders and practitioners to shape our collective future. Named one of the "World's Leadership Gurus" by Lederne and known as 'The Board Whisperer' among leaders, she is renowned for her expertise in systems awareness and strategic sustainable transformation. She and team empower forward-thinking organizations and leaders to cultivate the skills and strategies crucial for the transition. www.ThePassionInstitute.com

Host Sandja Brügmann in session with Kasper Bjørkskov, systems thinker, activist and founder No Objectives

The concept of efficiency, how much one can accomplish per unit of time or per dollar requires a quantitative numerator as well as a denominator. It requires a metric, therefore it tells us nothing about the result, we cannot quantify or measure.When we gear our society around efficiency, we produce more and more of the measurable, while the immeasurable, the qualitative and the things we don't think we're to measure drain away. And bedazzled by quantitative abundance, wemight not be able to see what we lost, but we definitely can feel its absence. And I think that is such a good explanation for how we got here, because we live in a system where we want to quantify everything. It's a system built on science and science needs to be backed by data and data needs to be able to be replicated in order to become science.Kasper Benjamin Reimer Bjørkskov is an architect, author, scientist and activist focused on turning minority insights into majority actions, making sustainability and social change accessible to all. He blends architecture, climate science, andregenerative economy to simplify complex problems into innovative, practical solutions. He is the founder and managing director of the non-profit No Objectives.

New Global Mind: Exploring brighter futures through leadership. A new video podcast series from The Passion Institute. Each episode explores innovative ideas, wisdom andstrategies with cross-disciplinary experts in systems science, strategic transformation, human behavior, consciousness, sustainability, psychology, economics, spirituality, and technology.

Host Sandja Brügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute—a strategic transformation institute—a global visionary in leadership and strategic transformation, engages thought leaders and practitioners to shape our collective future. Namedone of the "World's Leadership Gurus" by Lederne and known as 'The Board Whisperer' among leaders, she is renowned for her expertise in systems awareness and strategic sustainable transformation. She and team empower forward-thinking organizations and leaders to cultivate the skills and strategies crucial for the transition.

www.ThePassionInstitute.comA new episode every 2 weeks

A short clip with Mathias Wikström, CEO DOCONOMY #ImpactFinance talking about continuous developmental learning and collaborative intelligence as a competitive advantage in this talk with host Sandja Brügmann in New Global Mind: Leadership for systems transformation.

Listen to the full episode here https://open.spotify.com/episode/6xm9MPwdvChzmgfqrxOYYp?si=7b3e6901cb88469f

New Global Mind: A video podcast exploring brighter futures through leadership. A new series from The Passion Institute. Each episode explores innovative ideas, wisdom and strategies with cross-disciplinary experts in systems science, strategictransformation, human behavior, consciousness, sustainability, psychology, economics, spirituality, and technology.

Host Sandja Brügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute—a strategic transformation institute—and a global visionary in leadership, engages thought leaders to shape our future. Named a "World's Leadership Guru" by Lederne and 'The Board Whisperer' by leaders, she fosters skills and strategies crucial for the transition.

A short clip from lifetime achievement awarded systems scientist for Visionary leadership, Alexander Laszlo PhD on the needed abilities for leadership that transforms or transcends current systems, in a talk with host Sandja Brügmann.

Full episode available here https://open.spotify.com/episode/6vMjegygWETd07jPWkU7Ze?si=554bd53f6b4a4300

New Global Mind: A video podcast exploring brighter futures through leadership. A new series from The Passion Institute. Each episode explores innovative ideas, wisdom and strategies with cross-disciplinary experts in systems science, strategic transformation, human behavior, consciousness, sustainability, psychology, economics, spirituality, and technology.

Host Sandja Brügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute—a strategic transformation institute—and a global visionary in leadership, engages thought leaders to shape our future. Named a "World's Leadership Guru" by Lederne and 'The Board Whisperer' by leaders, she fosters skills and strategies crucial for the transition.

In this conversation, Sandja Brügmann, host of New Global Mind and Chief Executive of The Passion Institute, speaks with Erik Korsvik Østergaard on the concept of anticipatory leadership, emphasizing the importance of using anticipation to navigate decision-making and organizational design. He explores how visualization techniques and emotional engagement can enhance futures literacy, enabling leaders to create more authentic and effective strategies. The discussion also highlights the role of facilitation and ecosystem awareness in fostering collaboration and understanding within organizations. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the need for leaders to embrace a holistic approach to leadership that integrates emotional intelligence and foresight.

New Global Mind: A video podcast exploring brighter futures through leadership. A new series by The Passion Institute. Each episode explores innovative ideas, wisdom and strategies with cross-disciplinary experts in systems science, strategic transformation, human behavior, consciousness, sustainability, psychology, economics, spirituality, and technology

Takeaways

-Anticipatory leadership involves using anticipation in decision-making.

-Visualization techniques can enhance emotional engagement in leadership.

-Facilitation is key to driving futures thinking processes.

-Understanding the ecosystem is vital for effective leadership.

-Leaders should embrace a holistic approach to leadership.

-Emotional impacts from futures thinking include hope, ownership, and agency.

-Collaboration and co-creation are essential in leadership.

-Listening for emergence can lead to better decision-making.

-Futures literacy can be applied in both professional and personal contexts.

-The journey of becoming a futures literate leader is ongoing and requires practice.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Anticipatory Leadership

02:02 Horizon Scanning and Sensing Anomalies

04:39 Emotional Intelligence in Leadership

07:25 Futures Literacy and Imagination

09:55 Anticipatory Leadership Defined

15:01 Backcasting and Future Scenarios

21:20 The Mental Game of Archery and Business

21:49 Emotional Impact of Futures Thinking

23:39 Designing Futures: Ownership and Agency

25:41 Facilitation in Futures Literacy

28:17 Understanding Your Ecosystem

31:47 The Relational Space in Leadership

34:10 Authenticity and Futures Literacy

37:01 Creating Trust and Humility in Teams

39:32 Systems Transformation and Leadership

Links

Link to Erik Korsvik Østergaardon LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikkorsvikoestergaard/

Anticipatory Leadership by ErikKorsvik Østergaard https://www.amazon.com/Anticipatory-Leadership-organizations-structures-governance/dp/1915951364

Link to Sandja Brügmann onLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandja/

ThePassionInstitute.com

About: Erik Korsvik Østergaardis a futures thinker, leadership advisor, speaker and author of 3 books on progressive leadership and organizational design. The most current being Anticipatiory leadership. Founder of Good Morning April, a boutique consultancy, focusing on Futures Thinking and the Future of work, leadership, collaboration, and community.

About: SandjaBrügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute—astrategic transformation institute—a global visionary in leadership and strategic transformation, engages thought leaders and practitioners to shape our collective future. Named one of the "World's Leadership Gurus" by Lederne and known as 'The Board Whisperer' among leaders, she is renowned forher expertise in systems awareness and strategic sustainable transformation. She and team empower forward-thinking organizations and leaders to cultivate the skills and strategies crucial for the transition.

In this discussion, Sandja Brügmann and Mathias Wikström explore climate anxiety, finance sector's role, and the impact of Doconomy's work. They highlight leadership's importance in crises, partnerships for transformation, and narrative's role in climate action. Cultural shifts for collective responsibility and the future of sustainable leadership are also addressed.

New Global Mind: A video podcastexploring brighter futures through leadership. Each episode explores innovative ideas, wisdom and strategies with cross-disciplinary experts in systems science, strategic transformation, human behavior, consciousness, sustainability, psychology, economics, spirituality, and technology

Takeaways

· 66 to 70 percent are deeply worried about the climate crisis

· 48% feel paralyzed and don't know where to start

· 44% lack financial tools to take meaningful action

· Leadership is crucial in addressing the climate crisis

· Banks need to be the hub of the transition

· Behavioral science can assist in positive financial habits

· The food transition is key for sustainability

· Educating the younger generation on finance is essential

· Cultural shifts are necessary for collective action

· We need to visualize and reward progress made

Chapters

00:00 Navigating the Geopolitical Climate and Climate Anxiety

02:41 Understanding Doconomy and Impact Finance

4:03 Impact transaction scoring purchases in CO2 equivalence

4:53 Impact finance: Directing consumption and investments

05:35 The Role of Leadership in Addressing Crises

08:28 Building Partnerships in Finance for Sustainability

11:18 Research Insights on Consumer Behavior and Banking

13:57 Practical Steps for Individuals to Take Action

17:04 The Importance of Narrative in Climate Action

17:17 1.5 ° is a limit, not a target

20:04 Cultural Shifts and Collective Responsibility

22:30 Engaging with Financial Institutions for Change

25:09 Banks, start in the commercial side

25:16 The Future of Sustainable Banking and Consumer Education

27:49 Peer learning is pivotal: Step out of echo chambers, build bridges nor walls

28:36 In times of crisis blend many competencies

28:55 Culture as an accelerating factor

Links

Doconomy.com

Mathias Wikström on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/mathiasw1/

ICJ: World Court says countries are legally obligated to curb emissions, protect climate (Source: UN News)

Sandja Brügmann’s contribution to The Gurubook ‘The future leader is ethical, passionate, bold and driven by purpose. /Free read of article/ https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/the-gurubook/9781351343053/xhtml/chapter38.xhtml

Sandja Brügmann on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandja/

ThePassionInstitute.com

About: Mathias Wikström, founder and CEO of FinTech Doconomy, named among the world’s top Greentech companies 2025 by Time. Mathias Wikström is a Sweden based renowned sustainability business leader in the cross section of Finance, Sustainability and Human Rights. He has received an MBA with honors at Stockholm School of Economics with focus on Leading Innovation, is a 2025 Yale World Fellow, a 2024 IMAGINE Leader and member of the Explorers Club. He is a high scoring speaker at industry summits in Europe, USA, Asia and Latin America as well as with the UN and UNFCCC.

About: Sandja Brügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute—a strategic transformation institute—a global visionary in leadership and strategic transformation, engages thought leaders and practitioners to shape our collective future. Named one of the "World's Leadership Gurus" by Lederne and known as 'The Board Whisperer' among leaders, she is renowned for her expertise in systems awareness and strategic sustainable transformation. She and team empower forward-thinking organizations and leaders to cultivate the skills and strategies crucial for the transition.