In this episode, I sit with two of my most beloved colleagues and favorite historians, Natasha Zaretsky and Don Romesburg. The three of us have spent a combined sixty years of our lives studying the historical impact of the radical feminist and queer 1970s, a period of astonishing political rebellion that changed the trajectory of American culture forever. We talk about the ways that studying history allows ordinary people to see themselves as part of a rich continuum of human struggle and negotiation across time; can force us to productively reckon with the most painful, beautiful, perplexing, and inspiring aspects of our national past; gives us an incredible tool box of political practices, concepts, and strategies that might have renewed life in the present; and remind us that all our present-day problems came from somewhere, and can only be solved with a clear-eyed understanding of their origins. One of the most persistent themes in our conversation is the idea that history—knowing it, questioning it, contributing to it—can heal individual people and entire communities. Decades ago, the cultural theorist Frederic Jameson famously claimed that“History is what hurts.” He meant that history, the hard realities of events and institutions beyond our control that shaped and constrained our present moment, sets certain, painful limits on our individual ability to change the conditions of existence. In my conversation with Natasha and Don, we flip Jameson’s vision on its head. We suggest that the painful confrontation with history is exactly what allows it to heal us: because a genuine encounter with our past and present reality is one way we can stop telling ourselves lies about why things turned out the way they did. In the light of this kind of truth-telling, anything seems possible.
In this episode, we reference the following books and podcasts (in order of appearance):
Natasha Zaretsky, No Direction Home: The American Family and Fear of National Decline 1968-1980 (2007)
Natasha Zaretsky, Radiation Nation: Three Mile Island and the Political Transformation of the 1970s (2018)
Don Romesburg, Contested Curriculum: LGBTQ History Goes to School (2025)
Jason Stanley, Erasing History: How Fascists Rewrite the Past to Control the Future (2024)
Maintenance Phase Podcast
George Chauncey, Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940 (1994)
Christina Klein, Cold War Orientalism: Asia in the Middlebrow Imagination, 1945-1961 (2003)
Julia Mickenburg, Learning from the Left: Children's Literature, the Cold War, and Radical Politics in the United States (2005)