On today’s podcast, I sit down with co-pastors Sterling Burleson (the lawyer) and Kaleb Jackson (the rancher) to explore their unique journey into co-vocational ministry. Together, they share how God has led them to serve side-by-side as pastors while continuing in their respective professions.

At Wesley Biblical Seminary, we’re witnessing a growing movement of co-vocational leaders being called into ministry—men and women who are faithfully serving both the Church and the marketplace. Sterling and Kaleb are a compelling example of this Spirit-led trend.

Youtube - https://youtu.be/-xg-fo4hqKg

Audio - https://andymilleriii.com/media/podcast

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-to-the-story-with-dr-andy-miller/id1569988895?uo=4

If you are interested in learning more about my two full-length video-accompanied courses,

Contender: Going Deeper in the Book of Jude and

Heaven and Other Destinations: A Biblical Journey Beyond this World , visit courses.andymilleriii.com

And don’t forget about my most recent book, Contender, which is available on Amazon!

Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching - Recently, I updated this PDF document and added a 45-minute teaching video with slides, explaining this tool. It's like a mini-course. If you sign up for my list, I will send this free resource to you. Sign up here - www.AndyMillerIII.com or Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching.

Today’s episode is brought to you by Wesley Biblical Seminary. Interested in going deeper in your faith? Check out our certificate programs, B.A., M.A.s, M.Div., and D.Min degrees. You will study with world-class faculty and the most racially diverse student body in the country. www.wbs.edu

Thanks too to Phil Laeger for my podcast music. You can find out about Phil's music at https://www.laeger.net

What does it mean to be Protestant? How can its strengths shape faith in the modern world, and how should its challenges be addressed? Beth Felker Jones explores these questions in her new book, Why I Am Protestant. I enjoyed this conversation with her and think you will too.

Youtube - https://youtu.be/QUVmSnO-OCI

Audio - https://andymilleriii.com/media/podcast

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-to-the-story-with-dr-andy-miller/id1569988895?uo=4

Here’s a link to Beth’s 2025 book, Why I Am Protestant - https://www.ivpress.com/why-i-am-protestant?srsltid=AfmBOooQrPOuATUuc_FvQpA1MTv3c5XyBj-bIe_7zxj5C7TNo-jFoqTC

If you are interested in learning more about my two full-length video-accompanied courses,

Contender: Going Deeper in the Book of Jude and

Heaven and Other Destinations: A Biblical Journey Beyond this World , visit courses.andymilleriii.com

And don’t forget about my most recent book, Contender, which is available on Amazon!

Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching - Recently, I updated this PDF document and added a 45-minute teaching video with slides, explaining this tool. It's like a mini-course. If you sign up for my list, I will send this free resource to you. Sign up here - www.AndyMillerIII.com or Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching.

Today’s episode is brought to you by Wesley Biblical Seminary. Interested in going deeper in your faith? Check out our certificate programs, B.A., M.A.s, M.Div., and D.Min degrees. You will study with world-class faculty and the most racially diverse student body in the country. www.wbs.edu

Thanks too to Phil Laeger for my podcast music. You can find out about Phil's music at https://www.laeger.net

Renowned Bible teacher and prolific author, John David (J. D.) Walt is the former Dean of Chapel of Asbury Theological Seminary and the founder and sower-in-chief of Seedbed. Seedbed exists to gather, connect, and resource the people of God to sow for a great awakening. J.D.’s new book, released last month, is called Romans: From Sin Management to Love Unleashed.

Youtube - https://youtu.be/vmRRi9D8ic8

Audio - https://andymilleriii.com/media/podcast

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-to-the-story-with-dr-andy-miller/id1569988895?uo=4

Here’s a link to J.D.’s book - https://my.seedbed.com/product/romans-from-sin-management-to-love-unleashed-daily-seeds/

If you are interested in learning more about my two full-length video-accompanied courses,

Contender: Going Deeper in the Book of Jude and

Heaven and Other Destinations: A Biblical Journey Beyond this World , visit courses.andymilleriii.com

And don’t forget about my most recent book, Contender, which is available on Amazon!

Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching - Recently, I updated this PDF document and added a 45-minute teaching video with slides, explaining this tool. It's like a mini-course. If you sign up for my list, I will send this free resource to you. Sign up here - www.AndyMillerIII.com or Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching.

Today’s episode is brought to you by Wesley Biblical Seminary. Interested in going deeper in your faith? Check out our certificate programs, B.A., M.A.s, M.Div., and D.Min degrees. You will study with world-class faculty and the most racially diverse student body in the country. www.wbs.edu

Thanks too to Phil Laeger for my podcast music. You can find out about Phil's music at https://www.laeger.net

Our theology is too small. Something big is missing, and the Good News is compromised. God has “an everlasting covenant” with the Earth (Genesis 9:12-17). What would happen if Christian theology took this seriously, literally? And if we looked at Jesus through God’s Earth covenant, and at this covenant through Jesus? This book by today’s podcast guest, Howard Snyder, tackles that question.

Youtube - https://youtu.be/T5fK0Onkf7g

Audio - https://andymilleriii.com/media/podcast

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-to-the-story-with-dr-andy-miller/id1569988895?uo=4

https://place.asburyseminary.edu/academicbooks/53/

If you are interested in learning more about my two full-length video-accompanied courses,

Contender: Going Deeper in the Book of Jude and

Heaven and Other Destinations: A Biblical Journey Beyond this World , visit courses.andymilleriii.com

And don’t forget about my most recent book, Contender, which is available on Amazon!

Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching - Recently, I updated this PDF document and added a 45-minute teaching video with slides, explaining this tool. It's like a mini-course. If you sign up for my list, I will send this free resource to you. Sign up here - www.AndyMillerIII.com or Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching.

Today’s episode is brought to you by Wesley Biblical Seminary. Interested in going deeper in your faith? Check out our certificate programs, B.A., M.A.s, M.Div., and D.Min degrees. You will study with world-class faculty and the most racially diverse student body in the country. www.wbs.edu

Thanks too to Phil Laeger for my podcast music. You can find out about Phil's music at https://www.laeger.net

Christine Johnson completed her Ph.D. in Wesley Studies at the Nazarene Theological College/University of Manchester. Her study is focused on the theme of death as it relates to John Wesley’s doctrine of holiness. Christine currently serves as the Registrar and Director of Enrolled Student Services at Asbury Theology Seminary and today on the podcast we talked about her upcoming book, Triumphant Death: Grace, Holiness, and Death in the Theology of John Wesley.

Youtube - https://youtu.be/ZIRrJUTujSU

Audio - https://andymilleriii.com/media/podcast

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-to-the-story-with-dr-andy-miller/id1569988895?uo=4

If you are interested in learning more about my two full-length video-accompanied courses,

Contender: Going Deeper in the Book of Jude and

Heaven and Other Destinations: A Biblical Journey Beyond this World , visit courses.andymilleriii.com

And don’t forget about my most recent book, Contender, which is available on Amazon!

Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching - Recently, I updated this PDF document and added a 45-minute teaching video with slides, explaining this tool. It's like a mini-course. If you sign up for my list, I will send this free resource to you. Sign up here - www.AndyMillerIII.com or Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching.

Today’s episode is brought to you by Wesley Biblical Seminary. Interested in going deeper in your faith? Check out our certificate programs, B.A., M.A.s, M.Div., and D.Min degrees. You will study with world-class faculty and the most racially diverse student body in the country. www.wbs.edu

Thanks too to Phil Laeger for my podcast music. You can find out about Phil's music at https://www.laeger.net

The church is ordered so that good can run wild. God appoints leaders to commission the laity in the church’s ministry and mission. Pastors and ministry leaders serve and organize the church in such a way that people in their care can pursue their unique gifts. In Lay Leadership: For the Care of Souls, Aaron Perry empowers pastors to empower laity in leadership. I enjoyed this conversation with Aaron and hope you do to.

Youtube - https://youtu.be/uJJzMIzTSaU

Audio - https://andymilleriii.com/media/podcast

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-to-the-story-with-dr-andy-miller/id1569988895?uo=4

Here’s Aaron’s book - https://lexhampress.com/product/305969/lay-leadership-for-the-care-of-souls

If you are interested in learning more about my two full-length video-accompanied courses,

Contender: Going Deeper in the Book of Jude and

Heaven and Other Destinations: A Biblical Journey Beyond this World , visit courses.andymilleriii.com

And don’t forget about my most recent book, Contender, which is available on Amazon!

Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching - Recently, I updated this PDF document and added a 45-minute teaching video with slides, explaining this tool. It's like a mini-course. If you sign up for my list, I will send this free resource to you. Sign up here - www.AndyMillerIII.com or Five Steps to Deeper Teaching and Preaching.

Today’s episode is brought to you by Wesley Biblical Seminary. Interested in going deeper in your faith? Check out our certificate programs, B.A., M.A.s, M.Div., and D.Min degrees. You will study with world-class faculty and the most racially diverse student body in the country. www.wbs.edu

Thanks too to Phil Laeger for my podcast music. You can find out about Phil's music at https://www.laeger.net

Charlie Kirk (PTG) - Reflections with JD Walt

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