A senior Defense Department official hears a classified briefing on an unidentified craft and tells Jay Stratton: "You're poking demons. You should stop."

Steve and Kale dig into Out of the Shadows: Stratton's account of the legacy crash-retrieval program, Lockheed's alleged 12 nonhuman craft, and the reports that get rewritten on their way up the chain. Then come Skinwalker Ranch, portals in his backyard, a wolf-like creature, and the orb encounter that sent his son to the hospital.

Kale brings Diana Pasulka's critique of Stratton's religious framing; Steve challenges her reading of the Pentagon encounter. What belongs to aerospace engineering, what belongs to religion, and what do we do when the categories overlap?

Also: space as a frontier, the midterms, young men and the Anakin meme, the post-war order, disappearing internships in the age of AI, and the hosts' concerns about Poland.

A face becomes unfamiliar. A subway video makes the unseen feel present. A convicted fraudster seems sincere—and the people filming her cannot agree on what they saw.

Steve and Kale begin with Jennifer Lawrence's changing image and the viral Spiritual Parasites video, then follow the problem into personal accounts of the strange, historical oddities, and the question of what counts as a fact. What can our senses miss—and what happens when a phenomenon seems to notice its investigator?

Then they return to Nathan Fielder and Lance Oppenheim's You Can See Everything. This time, second-half spoilers are on the table: Amanda Seyfried's reenactments, the filmmakers' disagreements, and the dispute over documentary ethics. Rick Rubin, C. S. Lewis and Macbeth help frame the difficulty of knowing another person through a face, a camera, or a story.

Along the way: aging and parenthood, egregors, demons, the power of narrative identification, and the cost of pretending.

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RELATED RESOURCES You Can See Everything (A24): https://a24films.com/films/you-can-see-everything Spiritual Parasites (BlotterMonkey): https://x.com/BlotterMonkey/status/2114305976341848364 Reason's criticism (Christian Britschgi): https://reason.com/2026/10/26/nathan-fielder-made-a-dishonest-movie/

BOOKS DISCUSSED They Flew (Carlos Eire): https://www.amazon.com/s?k=They+Flew+Carlos+Eire&tag=steveskojec-20 The Creative Act (Rick Rubin): https://www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Creative+Act+Rick+Rubin&tag=steveskojec-20 God in the Dock (C. S. Lewis): https://www.amazon.com/s?k=God+in+the+Dock+C.S.+Lewis&tag=steveskojec-20

What if the most transparent documentary ever made shows you everything, and you still don't know what's real?

Steve and Kale both went to see Nathan Fielder's You Can See Everything, the three-hour documentary in which Elizabeth Holmes invites Fielder and co-director Oppenheim into her home in the final weeks before she reports to federal prison. Sixteen cameras, long zoom lenses, a 4:3 frame, and a woman who insists she has never lied to anyone.

We do our best to avoid spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, so we steer clear of the second half. We get into Holmes's two voices, the fight over "a character I created," Billy's unsettling presence, the Who's on First scene, and Fielder himself as the film's most unreliable narrator. From there: The Prestige and performers who never break character, David Blaine, C. S. Lewis on looking at versus looking along, narrative supremacy, and why people desperately want to be fooled.

Then the conversation turns outward: the Tesla Roadster demo and the reaction to it, masculine and feminine coding online, Camille Paglia's Sexual Personae, the need for a frontier, and Kale's argument that the Aztecs fell because they had become a death factory. What happens to a civilization that loses its horizon and turns to decadence?

"When you say you can see everything, it means you can see nothing." - Kale

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CHAPTERS

0:00 Cold Open

2:31 Welcome

2:40 Seeing You Can See Everything

4:40 Fielder, Oppenheim and Holmes

9:01 The Trailer

11:40 What the Trailer Hides

15:24 Sixteen Cameras in 4:3

21:12 The Silicon Valley Myth

24:37 Holmes's Two Voices

26:00 "A Character I Created"

36:39 Perception Is Reality

45:35 Who Is Billy?

56:56 Who's on First

1:01:28 The Unreliable Narrator

1:07:13 The Prestige

1:10:49 David Blaine

1:15:31 C. S. Lewis

1:26:40 Narrative Supremacy

1:35:55 Shared Reality

1:50:12 The Audiobook That Played Itself

1:51:39 The Tesla Roadster

2:03:09 We Need a Frontier

2:09:54 Camille Paglia

2:18:32 The Aztec Death Factory

2:29:06 A Technological Slave Class

2:35:37 Space, the Last Horizon

2:47:02 A Massive Experiment

2:57:37 The Scapegoat

2:58:45 Girard and the High Church

3:04:41 Thomas More's Utopia

3:09:18 You Can See Nothing

3:11:43 Sign-Off

BOOKS DISCUSSED

Sexual Personae - Camille Paglia

Out of the Shadows - Jay Stratton

Utopia - Thomas More

God in the Dock (includes "Meditation in a Toolshed") - C. S. Lewis

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