Michael Heiser called it the unseen realm: the world Scripture describes and the modern West has stopped seeing. Look around the room you are sitting in and name what is real. Most of us stop at the books, the walls, the chair, the things we can see and touch. But if we believe the Bible, God made things visible and invisible, and both are fully real.

In this second episode of Between Two Realms, Pastor Andre builds on episode one and the experience of disenchantment, asking whether even Christians quietly live as functional deists: believing God is out there, but not that he really interacts with us or our world. Drawing on Michael Heiser, Hans Boersma and Meredith Kline, he makes the case that Scripture assumes one cosmos in two registers, visible and invisible, both central to the gospel.

Not two separate universes: one creation, two registers, one Lord, one story.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Cold open: name what is real in your room

00:28 Title sequence

00:39 What is real? Visible and invisible

02:49 Do we live like functional deists?

10:47 Michael Heiser and the unseen realm

15:10 Boersma: creation as a window, not a wall

18:42 One creation, two registers

24:47 The seeker's tragedy

27:18 Strange passages as windows

29:30 How we lost the sacred: buffered vs porous

32:51 Ravenous for the supernatural

38:19 Not fear, not sensationalism, but theology

REFERENCED ALONG THE WAY

- Michael Heiser, The Unseen Realm, and Psalm 82 on the divine council

of the Elohim

- Meredith Kline on the cosmos in two registers, the upper (invisible)

and lower (visible)

- Hans Boersma, Heavenly Participation, and the sacramental tapestry:

creation as a window rather than a wall

- Charles Taylor on the buffered versus the porous self

- C.S. Lewis, The Discarded Image, on the crowded pre-modern sky

- Christian Smith on moralistic therapeutic deism

- Colossians 1:16 ("all things were created... visible and invisible")

and the Nicene Creed on things visible and invisible

- Genesis 1:1 (the heavens and the earth), and the strange passages

Heiser reads as windows: the witch of Endor, the rich man and

Lazarus, and 1 Peter on Christ preaching to the imprisoned spirits

Episode 1 (start here, the experience of disenchantment): https://youtu.be/qFfqp0d3H9o

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/g3DvbNGN2rE

Website: https://between-two-realms.pages.dev/