In this powerful conversation with Dr. Curt Thompson, we explore what it really means to move from imagination to incarnation—from abstract belief to embodied hope. Together, we reflect on how God reveals Himself through the arc of Scripture and how healing, trust, and transformation happen in the presence of real, loving relationships. Whether you’re wrestling with hope, longing for connection, or simply trying to receive love more fully, this episode is for you.

1. God’s story is one of increasing incarnation—His presence becomes more embodied over time.
2. Hope is not instant; it’s formed slowly through process, pain, and presence.
3. Healing often begins when we allow others to love us, even when it feels threatening.
4. Confessional community is key to spiritual and emotional transformation.
5. Love is the foundation, but hope and trust are practices shaped over time.
6. We’re not changed by ideas alone—we need real people with real voices.
7. The invitation to be known is both beautiful and uncomfortable, and that’s okay.

Website:https://curtthompsonmd.com

Instagram:@curtthompsonmd

Facebook:Curt Thompson, M.D.

Podcast: Being Known Podcast

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We LOVE that you’ve decided to join us this week for the Living Wholehearted Podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation, tips, and resources to help you transform every relationship that matters most to you. If you think this will help someone you know, make sure you send it their way or share on socials. Tag us @living_wholehearted and @terramattson! Don't forget to FOLLOW/SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss an episode and help spread the word by leaving us some stars on a review. Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com.

Until next time, be the leader you would follow!

Grateful for you,

Jeff & Terra

To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to:

INSTAGRAM

@TerraMattson

@Living_Wholehearted

@MyCourageousGirls

FACEBOOK

@WeAreLivingWholehearted

@MyCourageousGirls

WEBSITES

LivingWholehearted.com

TerraMattson.com

MyCourageousGirls.com

RESOURCES

Shrinking the Integrity Gap

Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course

Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace

Dear Mattsons

Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters

This week, we’re joined by Mike Donehey, former lead singer of Tenth Avenue North, as we dive into the heart of true leadership. Together, we explore how servant leadership, humility, and grace shape our ministry and relationships. Mike shares his journey of realizing that platform and fame aren't the true markers of success—it's about stewarding our gifts with authenticity and love. We reflect on the ministry of reconciliation, how to live it out in everyday life, and the transformative power of embracing God’s way of leadership. Tune in for a conversation filled with insight, challenge, and grace!

1. Leadership is about service, not status—embracing the posture of a steward rather than a leader.
2. True influence comes from humility, not from gaining a following or platform.
3. The ministry of reconciliation is about healing relationships, whether with God, others, or ourselves.
4. God calls us to steward our gifts, not to seek fame or power.
5. Emotional reactions are natural; learning to respond with curiosity and empathy can transform difficult conversations.
6. Your identity as a servant in God’s Kingdom is more important than any title you may hold.
7. Sometimes, the most meaningful spiritual encounters happen when we are faithful in the small, behind-the-scenes moments.

Website: Mike Donehey's Website

Instagram: @mikeddonehey

Facebook: Mike Donehey

Twitter/X: @mikedonehey

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We LOVE that you’ve decided to join us this week for the Living Wholehearted Podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation, tips, and resources to help you transform every relationship that matters most to you. If you think this will help someone you know, make sure you send it their way or share on socials. Tag us @living_wholehearted and @terramattson! Don't forget to FOLLOW/SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss an episode and help spread the word by leaving us some stars on a review. Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com.

Until next time, be the leader you would follow!

Grateful for you,

Jeff & Terra

To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to:

INSTAGRAM

@TerraMattson

@Living_Wholehearted

@MyCourageousGirls

FACEBOOK

@WeAreLivingWholehearted

@MyCourageousGirls

WEBSITES

LivingWholehearted.com

TerraMattson.com

MyCourageousGirls.com

RESOURCES

Shrinking the Integrity Gap

Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course

Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace

Dear Mattsons

Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters

In this episode, we open up about the often hidden cost of leadership—especially in seasons of suffering. We reflect on how narrowing our relational circles, honoring emotional limits, and learning to trust God more deeply can become sacred tools for healing. Whether you're leading in a church, home, or organization, we share real stories and biblical truths that reveal how hardship doesn't disqualify us—it deepens us. Join us as we explore how to let our theology shape our reality, not the other way around.

1. Margins Matter in Suffering: Protecting emotional and relational margins allows us to heal and lead well, especially during seasons of grief or burnout.
2. Concentric Circles of Support: Shrinking your relational circle in hard times isn’t selfish—it’s wise stewardship of limited emotional energy.
3. Suffering as a Trust Muscle Builder: God often uses pain not to punish, but to strengthen our ability to trust Him deeply and fully.
4. Let Theology Shape Reality: When emotions feel overwhelming, grounding ourselves in who God is keeps us from spiraling into distorted beliefs.
5. Jesus Modeled Relational Boundaries: Even Christ chose an inner circle and stepped away from the crowds, showing leaders how to steward their capacity.
6. Trauma-Informed Leadership: Understanding how past wounds affect behavior is crucial for both personal healing and guiding others with compassion.
7. No Shortcuts in Healing: Leaders are often tempted to move through pain quickly, but authentic transformation requires slow, intentional work.

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We LOVE that you’ve decided to join us this week for the Living Wholehearted Podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation, tips, and resources to help you transform every relationship that matters most to you. If you think this will help someone you know, make sure you send it their way or share on socials. Tag us @living_wholehearted and @terramattson! Don't forget to FOLLOW/SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss an episode and help spread the word by leaving us some stars on a review. Thanks for partnering with us to help more leaders, just like you, who want to live and lead with integrity at home, work and in the community. Go to livingwholehearted.com and sign up to receive our free leadership tips and updates delivered to you in our monthly newsletter. And, if you’re a girl mom, check out mycourageousgirls.com.

Until next time, be the leader you would follow!

Grateful for you,

Jeff & Terra

To connect with Jeff & Terra Mattson and Living Wholehearted, go to:

INSTAGRAM

@TerraMattson

@Living_Wholehearted

@MyCourageousGirls

FACEBOOK

@WeAreLivingWholehearted

@MyCourageousGirls

WEBSITES

LivingWholehearted.com

TerraMattson.com

MyCourageousGirls.com

RESOURCES

Shrinking the Integrity Gap

Shrinking the Integrity Gap e-Course

Courageous: Being Daughters Rooted in Grace

Dear Mattsons

Helping Moms Raise Confident Daughters