For a long time, leadership was measured by how well we could perform under pressure, stay composed, and keep pushing through. But in a world that feels more chaotic, divided, and emotionally depleted than ever, I believe that model is breaking down. In this episode, I sit down with Amy Elizabeth Fox, CEO and co-founder of Mobius Executive Leadership and co-author with Nicholas Janni, of Leading in Chaos to explore why the inner life of a leader matters more now than ever.

Amy shares what years of working with senior leaders have taught her about unresolved childhood wounds, emotional numbing, trauma, and the survival strategies that can quietly shape how we lead, relate, and make decisions. We talk about the insecure overachiever, the cost of carrying uncried tears, and why healing is not separate from leadership, but central to it.

This conversation is an invitation to make peace with your past, extend more grace to yourself and others, and lead with more courage, wholeness, and emotional honesty. Because the old operating system of command and control is no longer enough. A braver, wiser, more humane kind of leadership is being asked of all of us.

The Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership Amy Elizabeth Fox, MA, is a leading expert in vertical development, transformational change and trauma informed consulting. Since 2005 she has led immersive executive leadership programs around the world and served as a pioneer in introducing healing into the field of organizational development.

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Do you ever feel like you're off track, falling behind, or failing at this wild mystery tour we call life? The difficulties. The detours. The closed doors. The doubts and dreams that didn't survive contact with reality. The idealized "got it all together" version of yourself you thought you'd be by now… but clearly aren't.

Let's face it: we're living in a time loaded with uncertainty — where plans feel fragile, the future impossible to read, and for many people, the gap between the life they have and the life they hoped for has never felt wider.

So we do what humans do. We resist. We rail. We replay. We try to control the uncontrollable. And without meaning to, we add to our own suffering.

Here's the paradox: it's through accepting that life is hard that it becomes less hard. Not giving up — but embracing life just as it is, with all its messiness and unanswered questions, so we can stop expending precious energy fighting what is and start finding what's possible within it. Because the struggle you're resisting right now holds something you haven't found yet. Purpose often lives not in the life we planned, but in what we do with the one we have.

In this final solo episode of the series, I share five liberating truths — hard-won, not borrowed — to help you make peace with your problems and your path, and in doing so, live more purposefully within it. From the weight of self-doubt, to the labels that keep us small, to what it really means to be both more ambitious and more compassionate with yourself.

Where you are right now is not the end of your story. It's part of how you're being shaped for it.

The Courage Gap — Available on Amazon + independent bookstores https://margiewarrell.com/thecouragegap/

• The LinkedIn Course ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/learning/activating-courage-transform-discomfort-into-bold-confident-action

"I feel too encouraged," — said no one. Ever. Yet countless people are burdened with self-doubt. Which is why a few well-timed words of encouragement can make a profound difference. Encouragement isn't soft. It's a superpower - and research backs it up. In this episode, I explore why encouragement is like verbal sunshine and why giving it generously doesn't just lift the person receiving it, it transforms the person offering it too. I share the story of a new mother who nearly turned down the career opportunity of a lifetime until one phone call changed her mind, why one of America’s greatest CEO’s made encouragement a core leadership practice, and how speaking into who someone ‘can be’ - rather than their present fear - can help them close the gap between where they are and where they're capable of going. If you want to be the kind of person others want to work with, work for, or just have more of in their life, this episode will remind you that you hold more power to impact others than you may sometimes think.

The Courage Gap — Available on Amazon + independent bookstores ⁠⁠https://www.amazon.com/Courage-Gap-Steps-Braver-Action/dp/1523007249⁠⁠

The LinkedIn Course ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/learning/activating-courage-transform-discomfort-into-bold-confident-action