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Holloway v. Holloway (Part Two): Testimony, Cross-Examination & What Judges Really Weigh

In Part Two of the fictional custody case Holloway v. Holloway, we move past the setup and into the heart of a Pennsylvania custody trial: live testimony. This episode walks listeners through abbreviated, but realistic, direct and cross-examinations of both parents, a workplace witness, and the often-overlooked impact of third-party caregivers.

Mom takes the stand first, describing routines, anxiety, and decision-making around therapy and medication. Dad follows, explaining why he’s seeking 50/50 custody, how his job has changed, and how he relies on family and a girlfriend for support. From there, we hear from Dad’s boss about work schedules, unpredictability, and the limits of flexibility—testimony that often carries more weight than parents expect.

We also break down the in-camera interviews with the children: what judges listen for, how anxiety and routine factor into custody decisions, and why courts are cautious about labeling kids as “coached” or “manipulated.”

Finally, Julie pulls back the curtain on what actually happens at a custody trial—how testimony is structured, why parents usually testify first, how long real trials last, and what it means when a judge “takes it under advisement” instead of ruling from the bench.

No ruling yet—that’s coming in Part Three. For now, this episode is all about credibility, consistency, and the quiet details that can tip the scales in a custody case.

Show Notes:

Learn more about Julie Potts, Esq on her website https://juliepottsesq.com

Follow Julie on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawyerjulie

Follow Julie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/juliepotts_esq

To contact the podcast with questions, suggestions, or if you are interested in being a guest, please e-mail lawyerjulie55@gmail.com

Please remember that this podcast should not be considered legal advice, and you should always consult your own attorney if you have questions or need clarifications about your specific situation.

This episode of Lawfully After Ever was produced and edited by Emily Murphy.

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In Part One of our three-part Judge Julie series, Emily introduces a completely fictional—but highly realistic—Pennsylvania custody case: Holloway v. Holloway. A long-term stay-at-home mom, a traveling dad, two school-aged kids with very different needs—and a dispute over whether 50/50 custody is truly in their best interests. Julie hears the facts for the very first time and shares her raw, real-time legal analysis—no ruling yet, just the issues that will shape everything to come.

Show Notes:

Learn more about Julie Potts, Esq on her website https://juliepottsesq.com

Follow Julie on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawyerjulie

Follow Julie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/juliepotts_esq

To contact the podcast with questions, suggestions, or if you are interested in being a guest, please e-mail lawyerjulie55@gmail.com

Please remember that this podcast should not be considered legal advice, and you should always consult your own attorney if you have questions or need clarifications about your specific situation.

This episode of Lawfully After Ever was produced and edited by Emily Murphy.

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This week, we were invited by local Realtor Bela Vora as a guest on her podcast to discuss real estate transactions during divorce: when you should move out, how to negotiate repairs that need to be done, the best timing for appraisals, and how property settlement agreements tie into the process.

Check out more of Bela's content on her YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@phillysuburbsrealtor

And check out her website to learn more about her and her real estate services: https://phillysuburbsrealtor.com/

Show Notes:

Learn more about Julie Potts, Esq on her website https://juliepottsesq.com

Follow Julie on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawyerjulie

Follow Julie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/juliepotts_esq

To contact the podcast with questions, suggestions, or if you are interested in being a guest, please e-mail lawyerjulie55@gmail.com

Please remember that this podcast should not be considered legal advice, and you should always consult your own attorney if you have questions or need clarifications about your specific situation.

This episode of Lawfully After Ever was produced and edited by Emily Murphy.