In episode 13 of The Real Smile Podcast, Sharon is joined by Kim Rogers, founder of The Butterfly Mind, for a wide-ranging and honest conversation about dance, wellbeing and the culture surrounding young dancers and teachers.

Kim talks about her journey from professional performer to dance teacher and, more recently, moving into work focused on mindset, wellbeing and supporting teachers and dance schools. She explains how The Butterfly Mind has evolved and why she now feels ready to use her voice to challenge some of the things that have become accepted as the norm within the dance industry.

A big part of the conversation focuses on language — from phrases like “the show must go on” and “no pain, no gain”, to the way teachers, parents, examiners and adjudicators communicate with young dancers. Kim explains why simply asking, “What do you need from me right now?” can sometimes make a huge difference.

They also discuss pressure on young dancers, comparisons, exam and competition results, confidence, constructive feedback, safeguarding and the importance of creating a healthier culture where children are supported as people first — not just as dancers.

A thought-provoking conversation about the things we sometimes accept without questioning, and why Kim believes it is time to start talking about them and doing better.

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