John sits down with Mathias Cormann, Secretary-General of the OECD and a former Australian senator, for a wide-ranging conversation on the pressures facing advanced economies, from rising debt and ageing populations to housing affordability, migration and trust in institutions. They trace the OECD’s origins in the Marshall Plan and ask whether globalisation can be fixed rather than abandoned, before turning to the energy transition, defence spending and the war in Ukraine.Cormann warns that debt you do not pay down now means higher taxes or deeper cuts later, and urges governments to rebuild their fiscal buffers. He argues that Australia, once a leader on competition policy, is now in the middle of the pack, with regulation and corporate tax settings among the areas to fix. It is a candid conversation about the hard trade-offs leaders face, and why those choices only get harder the longer they are put off.Mathias Cormann is the Secretary-General of the OECD, a global policy forum/international organisation which groups 38 countries and works with more than 100 countries, promoting policies to improve the economic and social well-being of people around the world. He was Australia’s longest-serving Finance Minister (2013-2020), having also served as the Leader of the Government in the Australian Senate.

Nadia Schadlow joins John to discuss the fundamental shifts reshaping global geopolitics and the realities of modern statecraft. Together, they examine the return of great power competition, the evolving expectations surrounding alliance burden-sharing, and the complex challenge of managing relations with strategic competitors like China. The conversation breaks down the urgent need to address critical supply chain vulnerabilities, secure domestic energy supplies, and rethink defence industrial capacity. Schadlow also highlights how technological innovations and rapid adaptations on today’s battlefields, such as the widespread use of drones, are fundamentally altering the character of modern warfare.Dr. Nadia Schadlow is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, where she conducts research and analysis on a range of issues at the intersection of national security, technology, and strategy. She previously served as the US deputy national security advisor for strategy, leading the drafting and publication of the 2017 National Security Strategy of the United States. Her writing has appeared in Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, The Hill, Parameters, the Wall Street Journal and Philanthropy.

Alexandra Hudson joins John to explore the breakdown of modern public discourse and to unpack the crucial distinction between superficial politeness and genuine civility. Hudson argues that true civility is not merely adhering to polite etiquette, but an inner disposition that recognizes the inherent dignity of others, even when that requires having difficult, uncomfortable conversations.

Rather than viewing our deep political and cultural divisions as a novel crisis, the conversation frames dehumanisation and the lust for dominance as age-old human flaws. Ultimately, Hudson urges listeners to look inward rather than blaming political figures or the media, emphasizing that true social change begins when individuals take responsibility for cultivating respect, empathy, and personal integrity within their own spheres of influence.

Alexandra Hudson is an author, popular speaker, and the founder of Civic Renaissance, a publication and intellectual community dedicated to beauty, goodness and truth comprised of 50,000 intellectually curious people across the globe. Alexandra earned a master’s degree in public policy at the London School of Economics as a Rotary Scholar, and is also the creator of a series for The Teaching Company called Storytelling and the Human Condition. She is the bestselling author of The Soul of Civility: Timeless Principles to Heal Society and Ourselves.