Jinji didn't go into this thinking she'd own a business. She arrived, looked around, and thought — how has this even happened? Thirteen years later she's still asking that question, just from a much deeper place. This conversation covers what it actually feels like to stay inside something without a plan, let it evolve, and trust that the next version of it will make sense when it gets here.

Today, Piper and David sit down with Jinji Fraser — award-winning craft chocolate maker, founder of Jinji Chocolate, and collaborator with Cacao Road Media, a documentary series amplifying stories of resilience across the cacao supply chain. Jinji has spent over a decade working alongside her father and best friend, advocating for women- and family-owned cacao farms, and building a business that keeps revealing new reasons to exist.

• We explore what it looks like when a business finds you instead of trying to plan it to a tee.
• The breakfast conversation with her dad that completely changed her personal mission behind the chocolate.
• Where the work is going next — and why it has nothing to do with chocolate bars

Jinji Chocolate: https://www.jinjichocolate.com

Cacao Road Documentary Series: https://www.instagram.com/cacaoroad

If this one resonated, our conversation with Terra Lopez — musician, activist, and someone who's rebuilt her relationship with her own creative work from the ground up — is worth your time. And Amy Toensing's episode gets into what it looks like to keep going inside a life you've built when the conditions around it keep changing.

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