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  • "Can't Win Anything With Kids" Manchester United's 1996 Triumph
    2026/05/05

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week's episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper revisit the 1995-96 Premier League season. 30 years on from one of the great title races. They trace Manchester United's unlikely triumph, beginning with the summer meltdown that saw Ince, Hughes, and Kanchelskis all depart, the infamous opening-day defeat to Aston Villa, and Alan Hansen's immortal verdict. From Cantona's Paris crisis and Ferguson's diplomatic dinner to Newcastle's flying start and that seemingly insurmountable 12-point lead, Wilson and Draper unpick every twist. They examine Schmeichel's heroics in the pivotal March showdown at St James' Park, the Tino Asprilla effect, the curse of the grey shirts at The Dell, and finally the extraordinary moment Kevin Keegan lost his composure on live television.


    00:00 Alan Hansen Sets the Scene

    06:30 The Summer Meltdown — Ince, Hughes, Kanchelskis

    12:45 Class of '92 and the Aston Villa Opener

    19:20 Cantona's Paris Crisis and Ferguson's Rescue Mission

    27:10 Newcastle's Flying Start and the 12-Point Lead

    34:50 The March Showdown at St James' Park

    42:15 Tino Asprilla and the Rodney Marsh Debate

    48:00 Liverpool 4, Newcastle 3 — The Moment It Turned

    53:40 The Grey Shirts and the Southampton Collapse

    58:10 The Mind Games Begin

    01:03:20 Keegan's Meltdown — "I Will Love It"

    01:09:00 United Win the League and the Double

    01:14:30 Why This Season Made the Premier League

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    56 分
  • The Impossible Dream: Leicester City’s Premier League Win
    2026/04/28

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this week’s episode, co-hosts Jonthan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by Sports Journalist and author Jonathan Northcroft to take a look 10 years on from that extraordinary and famous Premier League win! They frame the story around key pivot points, including the Valentine’s Day defeat at Arsenal and the self-belief it sparked, plus Ranieri’s unexpected decision to still grant the squad a holiday. Northcroft traces the longer build-up through the 2013 Watford play-off heartbreak, Nigel Pearson’s cross-department reset, the 2014 Championship-winning platform (and the later FFP breach), and the club’s smart recruitment and early data use that delivered players like Kanté, Mahrez and Okazaki. They cover Pearson’s departure after off-field incidents, the scepticism around Ranieri’s appointment, his “dilly ding” media touch, rivals’ crises, standout wins over Liverpool and Manchester City, Spurs’ chase, and the city’s all-in celebrations as the miracle became real.


    06:35 Origins of the Build

    10:39 FFP and the Promotion Debate

    11:35 Recruitment and Data Edge

    17:36 Kante and Mahrez Backstories

    22:22 Pearson Great Escape and Exit

    26:10 Ranieri Arrives Against the Odds

    27:46 Dilly Ding and Pizza Psychology

    35:24 Chelsea Chaos Unravels

    41:42 Big Clubs in Crisis

    45:02 Vardy Volley and City Statement

    47:37 Leicester Media Frenzy

    53:30 Spurs Pressure and Title Night

    59:19 Leicester Celebrates as One

    01:04:30 Bonkers Finale

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    1 時間 5 分
  • Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part Three
    2026/04/21

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was the football history podcast. In today’s episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper bring this Graham Taylor series to a close with the Oslo qualifier that defined his reign: a chaotic, tactically muddled 2–0 loss to Norway at the peak of their ‘golden age’, captured in painful detail by The Impossible Job. Unpacking Taylor’s mounting stress, tabloid caricature and “no‑win” selection calls—especially the dilemma of persisting with an undercooked Paul Gascoigne—before explaining how the back-three plan collapsed, England’s structure unravelled, and Norway’s alertness (including a quick free kick) punished them. The episode breaks down England’s chaotic structure, Norway’s tactical calm under Egil “Drillo” Olsen, and Taylor’s famous touchline outbursts, before tracing the fallout: “Norse Manure” headlines, concerns the players had stopped responding, and a demoralising US tour. England briefly revive by beating Poland, but lose in Rotterdam and, despite winning 7–1 in San Marino after conceding almost instantly, miss out as the Netherlands win in Poland. They assess Taylor’s broader legacy, his misfortune with timing and player form, and his later rehabilitation at Watford.


    01:51 Norway’s Golden Generation

    04:51 Tabloid Mockery Era

    06:11 Psychology and Pressure

    08:18 The Gaza Fitness Dilemma

    18:30 Paranoia and Tactical Switch

    22:50 System Collapse in Oslo

    25:57 Quick Free Kick Nightmare

    29:41 Norway Strike Again

    30:32 Tabloid Backlash

    32:07 Tactics And Trust

    35:18 Bigger Picture Failings

    42:56 USA Tour Fallout

    43:49 Last Chance Qualifiers

    45:36 San Marino Shock

    48:28 Reassessing the Taylor Legacy


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    54 分
  • Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part Two
    2026/04/14

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was. In today's episode, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson continue Graham Taylor’s England story as the 1994 World Cup qualifying begins to wobble, with Paul Gascoigne’s talent and volatility dominating the narrative. They examine how Taylor’s pragmatic, direct style—shaped by lower-league realities and later linked (often unfairly) to FA long-ball doctrine—collided with more technical European approaches, and how internal battles involving Charles Hughes and data pioneer Charles Reap poisoned the backdrop. England’s campaign lurches through a Norway draw at Wembley after a late stunner, a Gascoigne-inspired win over Turkey, and a damaging 2–2 draw with the Netherlands featuring an undetected elbow and a late penalty. With Gascoigne returning in a mask, England then stumble in a hostile Poland away match and escape with a late equaliser, before Taylor’s brutal “headless chickens” verdict leaves his team heading to Oslo under growing pressure.


    00:24 Setting the Scene

    03:08 Taylor’s Pragmatic Roots

    06:50 Pressing vs Possession

    10:04 Charles Hughes and the Winning Formula

    13:55 Reap vs Hughes Fallout

    19:31 Norway’s Long Ball Irony

    21:59 Back to Qualifying Hopes

    24:10 Gazza’s Norway Controversy

    26:50 Taylor’s Gaza Dilemma

    28:22 Norway Opener Heartbreak

    30:53 Turkey Win and Dependence

    32:53 Too Honest With Press

    40:12 Dutch Clash at Wembley

    44:13 Mask Return and Mania

    45:52 Poland Chaos and Critique

    49:03 Headless Chickens Finale

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    50 分
  • Do I Not Like That! England's Downfall Under Graham Taylor | Part One
    2026/04/07

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue on from last week’s episode with Jan Fjortoft to delve into how things went wrong for Graham Taylor during his time as England manager. In this first part of a three part series on Graham Taylor (following our episode with Fjortoft) we take a look at the high of Italia ’90 to the early warning signs of Graham Taylor’s troubled England reign, setting up the wider story of his eventual downfall. Central to the episode is Paul Gascoigne’s rise into “Gaza mania,” the off-field chaos and disciplinary problems that followed, including the 1991 FA Cup final knee rupture and subsequent setbacks. Taylor struggled to manage both the player and the circus around him. England qualified for Euro 1992 but drew twice, lost to Sweden and Taylor’s substitution of Gary Lineker became emblematic as tabloid ridicule culminate in a reputational collapse for Taylor.


    01:05 The Impossible Job Era

    07:39 Referees And Rotterdam

    12:47 Italia 90 Reality Check

    20:02 Gaza Mania Begins

    25:31 Euro Qualifiers Begin

    28:24 Ireland Away Selection

    30:08 Taylor Press Tightrope

    35:48 Cup Final Knee Rupture

    41:46 Euro 92 Sweden Turning Point

    42:55 Lineker Sub Controversy

    47:50 Fitness Gap And Refuelling

    49:32 Turnip Taylor Tabloid Sting

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    51 分
  • Jan Åge Fjørtoft, on Norway + England's Nadir
    2026/03/31

    Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Today co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by a very special returning guest - Jan Fjørtoft! In this episode, we will explore Norway’s remarkable rise in the early 1990s and their famous 2–0 win over Graham Taylor’s England in 1993. Fjørtoft explains how Egil “Drillo” Olsen took a previously struggling national team and built belief through a disciplined, direct style, carefully defined roles, and detailed match analysis using hand-written stats and video. The episode breaks down the key tactical choices that unsettled England, revisits both Norway goals, and follows the qualifier run that took Norway to their first World Cup since 1938. Norway will return to the World Cup this summer for the first time since 1998. This episode will be followed by a three part special on Graham Taylor.



    01:12 Norway before the rise

    04:09 Olsen arrives and stirs

    06:47 Direct football philosophy

    14:31 Stats and analysis

    20:05 Defined roles and system

    23:40 Beating England

    28:12 Tactical switch

    31:33 Gascoigne fitness factor

    32:50 Olsen’s Selection Mind Games

    37:20 Two Goals Breakdown

    42:41 Road to USA 94 Sealed

    45:45 Poland Night and Wild Celebrations

    48:46 Heroes Welcome in Norway

    52:04 World Cup Heat Prep Fiasco

    59:59 Egil Olsen Legacy

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    1 時間 3 分
  • World Cup Countdown: 1966 | Patreon Sneak Peek!
    2026/03/25

    Today, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper take you back to the 1966 FIFA World Cup.

    On home soil in England, the hosts claimed their first and only World Cup title. Captain Bobby Moore marshalled the side with composure, while Geoff Hurst rose to immortality with a historic hat-trick in the final. England’s triumph, sealed in a dramatic victory over West Germany, remains one of the most iconic moments in football history and the nations greatest footballing day.

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    Our countdown to 2026 - every tournament revisited Join Rob and Jonathan as they walk through every World Cup from 1930 to today, exploring the drama, evolution, legends, controversies and cultural impact of each tournament.






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    18 分
  • Clyde Best: Breaking Barriers in English Football
    2026/03/24

    Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by an extraudinary guest - Clyde Best. An absolute pioneer to the game, born in Bermuda, Clyde would become one of the first black players in First Division football in England. His new film, ‘Transforming the Beautiful Game: The Clyde Best Story’ will be shown for a week at Sadler’s Wells East from 25th March.


    In this episode, Clyde recounts arriving in England as a teenager, getting lost at West Ham station and being taken in by the Charles family. He reflects on his rise at West Ham, getting his debut against Arsenal under Ron Greenwood in 1969 and playing alongside the likes of Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst and Martin Peters. Clyde talks of the his Bermuda upbringing, national team breakthrough and the influence that his father had on him. Best reflects on being one of the first prominent black players in English football, enduring racist abuse and an acid-attack threat and playing against Pelé. He also discusses NASL moves to Tampa Bay and Portland Timbers and the inspiration he provided players such as Ian Wright.



    01:29 Lost at Heathrow

    03:23 The Charles Family

    06:59 Bermuda Beginnings

    10:20 West Ham Dream

    13:20 Ron Greenwood Impact

    15:22 Fast Track Debut

    18:35 Breaking Barriers

    24:06 Facing Racism

    31:03 Scoring Against Pelé

    35:20 Leaving West Ham for the NASL

    37:17 American Soccer Showmanship

    43:01 Legacy as a Pioneer

    46:57 Honorary Doctorate

    49:44 His love for West Ham


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    52 分