Three fierce women founders join us on IT SHOULDN’T BE THIS HARD, all kicking ass across different industries: food waste, capital flows for a new regenerative economy, and ethical, sustainable snacking. Tessa Clarke (Founder of Olio), Alessa Berg (Founder of Top Tier Impact), and Heather Terry (Founder of GoodSAM Foods) aren't waiting for the system to get fairer, cheaper, or more rational before they act. They're building what needs to exist themselves.

Tessa Clarke grew up on a farm where food waste "was pretty much criminal" which is exactly why, on moving day, she resorted to what she calls cross-border vegetable smuggling rather than let the removal men throw out perfectly good food. That was the lightbulb moment for Olio, now a neighbor-to-neighbor app that's moved 150 million meals' worth of food. Alessa Berg built Top Tier Impact's 80-country ecosystem by trusting what she calls her own "internal coding" instead of forcing her path into a five-year plan. And Heather Terry built Good Sam Foods around a simple, radical bet: cutting out the middlemen and prioritizing farmers.

This episode gets into the reframes that changed how each of them operates: why Olio stopped talking about saving the planet and started talking about what's in it for you, the "drama triangle" Alessa uses to catch herself before slipping into victim mode, and Heather's belief that "weaponizing cash" by building a company that's profitable and does right by its supply chain is can be more disruptive than protest.

• Why environmental messaging failed to drive action for Olio and what actually worked instead
• How Olio turned its biggest weakness (food vanishing off the app in seconds) into its main revenue driver
• Why treating corporate partners as paying clients, not donors, is what unlocked Olio's supply side
• How to use the "drama triangle" (victim, hero, perpetrator) to catch yourself before you play the victim
• Why Alessa trusts "emergence" over rigid five-year plans and what that looks like in practice
• How Top Tier Impact operationalizes "take responsibility for your reality" as a company-wide rule
• Why Good Sam Foods runs its entire supply chain with zero middlemen
• How cutting out middlemen directly improves the economics of smallholder farmers and indigenous communities
• Why Heather sees profitability itself as a form of protest against a broken system
• How scaling slowly and staying profitable can undermine a broken industry faster than scaling fast

00:00 – Three founders, three industries, one instinct

01:30 – Tessa Clarke: growing up where food waste was "pretty much criminal"

02:00 – "Why isn't there an app for this?" Olio is born

02:44 – Alessa Berg: trusting her own "internal coding"

03:15 – Building Top Tier Impact's 80-country ecosystem

03:49 – Heather Terry: backing smallholder farmers, cutting the middlemen

04:21 – The Reframe: what changed how each founder operates

04:30 – Olio's pivot: from "save the planet" to "what's in it for you"

05:06 – Alessa's framework: escaping the victim-hero-perpetrator triangle

05:45 – Heather's reframe: "weaponizing cash" as protest

06:10 – The Reframe, in practice

06:31 – Olio's 100,000 volunteers and the supply-side fix

07:35 – TTI's rule #1: take responsibility for your reality

07:59 – Good Sam's slow, profitable scale as "system sabotage"

08:36 – Closing + what's coming in Part 2

About the Show

IT SHOULDN’T BE THIS HARD by grounded is a podcast show for business leaders, social entrepreneurs, and sustainability professionals navigating the messy meaningful work of responsible business and conscious leadership. Co-hosted by Phil White and Heidi Schoeneck, each episode brings together social impact entrepreneurs, corporate changemakers, and sustainability leaders -who've been there and are doing it- for lively, playful (and sometimes provocative) conversations about why it's so hard to do the right thing (and do the right things). This episode was produced and hosted by Paloma Jacome.

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In Part 2 of this two-part conversation, co-hosts Phil White and Heidi Schoeneck continue their conversation with Matthew McCarthy, former CEO of Ben & Jerry's, moving from the false choice of purpose vs. profit into some of the thorniest territory in modern leadership: anti-woke backlash, the monetization of conflict, and the quiet collapse of trust underneath it all.

Matthew opens up about "authorizing yourself" instead of waiting for permission, then turns to what we call "wokery pokery" — the way both sides of the culture war often care more about conflict than the actual issue at stake. From there, the conversation moves through the fear of being publicly called out, why hyper-transparency has made holding statements obsolete, and why trust may be the single biggest driver of business performance.

Matthew closes with a candid look at the hardest part of leadership: not choosing between right and wrong, but choosing between two things that both hurt and why compassion for the people around you (including the ones treating you badly) might be the most underrated leadership skill there is.

• Why "authorizing yourself" is more important than waiting for permission from your boss or company
• How delegating responsibility upward quietly drains your own agency
• Why most "toxic" people are engaging in toxic behavior, not being toxic people
• The difference between the anti-woke movement's stated concerns and its actual function: monetizing conflict
• Why holding statements and PR positioning no longer work in an age of hyper-transparency
• Why "the coefficient of trust" may be the most important number a leader never measures
• The direct link between organizational trust and financial performance
• Why "check your values at the door" is a dangerous myth
• The hardest part of leadership: choosing between two painful options, not right vs. wrong

0:00 — Introduction: purpose, profit, politics

1:20 — Avoiding sticks vs. moving toward carrots

3:00 — "Authorize yourself"

5:29 —Wokery Pokery — has "woke" gone too far, or worked too well?

6:16 — Walking the talk vs. inviting criticism

9:39 — The Coefficient of Trust — "a moment of manufactured terror"

11:16 — Trust as fuel: why low trust correlates with poor results

13:53 — "Check your values at the door" is a dangerous distortion

15:00 — The case for "real talk" about the human cost of leadership decisions

15:30 — Closing: build trust, make trade-offs, keep moving

It Shouldn't Be This Hard is the podcast for leaders, founders, and change-makers navigating the messy intersection of purpose and performance — exploring why doing the right thing in business can feel far harder than it should.

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In Part 1 of this two-part conversation, co-hosts Phil White and Heidi Schoeneck are joined by Matthew McCarthy, former CEO of Ben & Jerry’s, to challenge one of the most deeply ingrained beliefs in business: that purpose and profit are competing priorities.

Drawing on decades of experience leading one of the world's most outspoken purpose-driven brands, Matthew McCarthy argues that many of the biggest barriers to growth, trust, and impact aren't coming from competitors, regulators, or changing consumer expectations.

They're coming from inside the organization.

From the false choice between doing well and doing good to the growing crisis of consumer trust, this conversation explores why businesses so often become the fox in their own henhouse, creating the very obstacles they're trying to overcome.

Along the way, Matthew unpacks why consumers shouldn't be blamed for problems businesses have the power to solve, why leaders spend too much time debating whether instead of focusing on how, and what it takes to build organizations capable of creating both impact and value.

• Why the "purpose vs. profit" debate may be setting businesses up to fail
• How organizations become their own biggest obstacle to growth and sustainability
• Why consumers shouldn't be blamed for problems businesses can solve
• What declining trust signals about the future of business
• How debating whether to act drains energy and momentum
• Why "scale" means something different to everyone in the room
• The relationship between purpose, profit, and long-term value creation
• Why leaders can't outsource sustainability to founders, legacy, or brand DNA

00:00 – Introduction: The fox in the henhouse

00:45 – Why the purpose vs. profit debate is broken

02:15 – How businesses become their own worst enemy

03:40 – The false choice between growth and impact

05:05 – "The fact that lots of products suck..."

06:20 – Consumer trust, accountability, and changing expectations

07:15 – Stop debating whether. Start focusing on how.

08:10 – Why everyone hears "scale" differently

09:05 – Purpose, profit, and long-term value

09:45 – Closing reflections

It Shouldn't Be This Hard is the podcast for leaders, founders, and change-makers navigating the messy intersection of purpose and performance — exploring why doing the right thing in business can feel far harder than it should.

🤖 Meet Gaia, Grounded's sustainability AI:

https://grounded.world/gaia

🌍 Get Grounded:

https://grounded.world/

#Sustainability #Leadership #BenAndJerrys #Business #ItShouldntBeThisHard