My guest for this podcast is Alison McCormack, CEO of Bicycle Network, but that wasn't the plan. She was the shy youngest of five, the one who listened while everyone else told stories. Then her mum died suddenly and a friend said, "I'll see you Wednesday 6 o'clock." The bike became the vehicle for something bigger. A decade of volunteering. A life membership. Then a CEO role at an organisation that needed saving. She met with 50 stakeholders before she even applied. The board chair took her on a gravel ride to an Aboriginal meeting place and said, "This is about trust." They turned the Titanic. This is a conversation for any leader who has to push through the hill of hysteria while staying true to why they started.

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Trent Cotchin captained Richmond through the microwaved membership tickets, the 113-point belting, the noise that had a name on it, and then led them to three premierships with the Richmond Football Club.

But the story isn't what changed in the game plan. It's what changed in the man.

This is a conversation about the moment he called Ben Crowe and realised he didn't have to do it alone.

About the St Rose Cafe meeting with Jack Riewoldt where they stopped making it about themselves and started building for Daniel Rioli's generation. About big paddocks with strong fences, about trust, empowerment and alignment, and about what happens when you finally let the tide go out and see where the rocks really are.

This is a conversation for any leader who's ever felt the weight of the armour they're carrying.

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Michael Voss has lived a life where pressure meant something great was about to happen.

Three-time premiership captain at Brisbane. AFL coach at Carlton. A career spent in the arena with skin in the game. And now he's sitting in what he calls "the grey", the space between what was and what's next.

We talk about his mantra, 'courage to always compete', and how that mantra survived every iteration of him.

About the daily 20-minute drive that became his leadership practice. About upstream thinking versus downstream problem-solving. About the moment he raised the floor on standards and risked himself for the team. And about identity always in formation, not a fingerprint, but something you write with your own pen.

This is a conversation for anyone who's ever stepped out of the arena and wondered what courage looks like now.

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