This is John Drabinski and you’re listening to The Black Studies podcast, a series of conversations examining the history of the field. Our conversations engage with a wide range of activists and scholars - senior figures in the field, graduate students, and everyone in between, culture workers, and political organizers - in order to explore the cultural and political meaning of Black Studies as an area of inquiry and its critical methods.

Today’s conversation is with Nicole Fleetwood, a writer, curator, and art critic who teaches in the Department of Media, Culture, and Communication at New York University. Along with numerous articles and critical pieces, she is the author of Troubling Vision: Performance, Visuality, and Blackness (2011), On Racial Icons: Blackness and the Public Imagination (2015), curator of the traveling exhibition “Marking Time: Art in the Age of Mass Incarceration,” the book Marking Time: Art in the Age of Mass Incarceration (2020), which won the National Book Critics Award in Criticism, the John Hope Franklin Publication Prize of the American Studies Association, the Susanne M. Glasscock Humanities Book Prize for Interdisciplinary Scholarship, the Charles Rufus Morey Book Award in art history, and the Frank Jewett Mather Award in art criticism, and most, recently, Between the River and Railroad Tracks, forthcoming in November 2026. In 2021, she was recognized as a MacArthur Foundation Fellow. In this conversation, we discuss writing about place, memoir and Black study, and the meaning of history and memory in Black life.