Welcome to Human First.

The bar for AI fluency in go-to-market hiring has shifted dramatically and most executives haven't caught up.

You know you need to talk about AI in interviews, but you're not sure what "good" actually looks like anymore. Is using ChatGPT to brainstorm enough? Should you be building dashboards? And how do you evaluate something you're still figuring out yourself?

Andy Mowat built and scaled RevOps and demand gen at four unicorns - Box, Upwork, Culture Amp, and Carta. Now, as founder of Whispered, he's in constant conversation with senior GTM leaders about how AI is reshaping the way they hire and get hired. Few people have a broader, more grounded view of what's actually happening.

In this launch episode of Human First, Danielle Parker from Captivate Talent, and Andy get tactical about what AI fluency means right now, how it's being tested in interviews, and what you can do in the next 30 days to get across the chasm. You'll walk away with a clearer picture of what hiring managers are really asking and how to answer.

Key Takeaways

>> The AI fluency bar has moved from "curious" to "builder" in under 12 months. Using tools like Gamma or ChatGPT for slide decks is no longer enough to impress in interviews.

>> Most executives don't realize they're overselling their AI skills because the technology is moving faster than their self-assessment and many interviewers can't probe deeply enough to tell the difference.

>> The traditional take-home case study is broken and AI makes every submission look polished, so hiring managers need to rethink whether they're evaluating real thinking or just well-prompted output.

>> Hiring managers are over-indexing on "builder" without asking what's behind the question, whether it's doing more with less, flying low and high, or actually implementing AI tooling are three very different needs.

Chapter Markers

00:00 The question behind "hire a builder"

01:00 - Introduction to Andy Mowat and Whispered

01:38 - Biggest shifts in executive hiring conversations

03:33 - How AI fluency evaluation has changed

07:23 - What AI-fluent leaders actually sound like day to day

09:27 - Rev ops as the bridge role for GTM AI adoption

13:01 - How candidates oversell AI skills without realizing it

15:22 - Recognizing genuine AI passion in interviews

17:18 - Whispered's view on roles being reshaped by AI

19:23 - What rev ops looks like in two years

22:16 - The 30-day playbook to cross the AI chasm

28:30 - Is AI fluency learnable or inherent?

33:17 - Why take-home case studies are broken

38:06 - What should replace the case study

40:59 - Where go-to-market hiring is heading in 2-3 years

43:18 - One thing to do differently this week

Useful Links & Resources

• Whispered: AI platform for executive career moves
• Whispered Hiring Podcast: Andy's podcast on GTM hiring
• Claude Code by Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com
• Lovable: No-code app building platform
• HyperBound: AI role-play platform for sales enablement

Connect With the Show

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/captivate-talent/
• Website: https://www.captivatetalent.com/
• Danielle Parker on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniellemessler/

If this conversation hit home, we'd love to hear from you. What's the hardest part of evaluating AI fluency in your hiring process?

Drop a comment or send Danielle a message on LinkedIn — these are the conversations that make this show better.

Head to https://www.captivatetalent.com/ to see how Captivate Talent can help you find the right GTM leaders for what's next.

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